Blog for Dallas Area Catholics - CMTV / Michael Voris

JMJ

Since we're on the topic, Tantum has a good post here on the topic of CMTV and Michael Voris. I tried to post a comment but I had issues with my Wordpress account - so just in case here's the comment I meant to leave.

P^3

Hi Tantum et al,
I see two aspects to this ‘crisis’ within CMTV.
The first is that they are holding two contradictory principles: No criticism of the Bishop of Rome – Head of the College of Bishops, Criticism of any and all members of the College of Bishops – except its head.
Humans are adaptable, but when confronted with this type of contradiction they will seek to resolve it by changing the perception of the action.
Hence CMTV’s recent condemnation of a long held SSPX position, that they themselves substantively held in 2010.
The second is CMTV’s anger and lashing out at the SSPX and other Traditionalists (Remnant, CFNEWS etc). Because these groups do not reinforce CMTV’s perception of the situation and because Pope Francis daily undermines that perception – CMTV is trying to silence all those who poke pins at their bubble.
As an example, the reasons given for banning people who do not agree with their position are incredible. The owner of Suscipedomine was banned for this comment:
“… Keep grinding that axe, Church “Militant” …”
From my perspective (having been SSPX Trad for 30+ years), CMTV and Michael Voris are just one more casualty.
Pray for them and pray for us the we aren’t next.
P^3

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SSPX and the Resistance - A Comparison Of Ecclesiology

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Cathinfo and the 'resistance' perspective (updated with response to comment)

+ JMJ Matthew, the owner of Cathinfo - a resistance forum has posted a response to a person that indicated his reasons for continuing to go to the SSPX.

Morning and Evening and other sundry Prayers

+ JMJ Along the theme of P^3 (Prayer, Penance, Patience), and for my own reference ... here is a collection of Morning and Evening prayers from the Ideal Daily Missal along with some additional prayers. In this crisis of the Church, I do not think it is possible to do too much prayer, penance and have patience. P^3

What the heck is a congregation of "Pontifical Right"

+ JMJ In a discussion with a friend the question occurred to me that I didn't actually know was is involved in being a religious order of 'pontifical right'. I had a vague notion that this meant they reported to Rome as opposed to the local diocese. I'm also aware that, according to the accounts I have heard, the Archbishop received 'praise' and the written direction to incardinate priests directly into the SSPX. This is interesting because it implies that the SSPX priests were no longer required to incardinate in the local diocese but in the SSPX. This is something that belongs to an order of 'pontifical right'. Anyway here's some definitions: Di diritto pontificio is the Italian term for “of pontifical right” . It is given to the ecclesiastical institutions (the religious and secular institutes, societies of apostolic life) either created by the Holy See or approved by it with the formal decree, known by its Latin name, Decretu...

Mary Victrix: The Cyrpto-Lefebvrist Dodge (aka The Crypto-Lefebvrist Dodge)

+ JMJ Setting aside the spelling mistake in the title, I noticed yet another volley in the ongoing war of words between Fr. Greiger and various other people he has labelled as 'cyrpto-lefebvrists'. I also noticed that he has made some statements that are not supported by references or distort the actual positions of the SSPX. As a rule I assume that a person is of good-will and not of malicious intent. This is, after all, the Catholic approach to relations. So at this point I am assuming that Father Angelo Mary Greiger is simply operating under a confirmation bias , that he may be using to reduce any cognitive dissonance that he is experiencing. As such when I noticed some of the issues with the post were incorrect, I emailed Fr. Greiger my thought. As he has not amended the article, I post below a copy of my email. P^3

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