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SSPX: Traditionis Custodes, Desiderio Desideravi, and Their Positions on the Mass

+ JMJ The sustained attack of the Tridentine Mass and the Ecclesiology that it represents continues. The opinions about it are decending into the ludicrous as one Cardinal (Roche) has stated that it is protestant to adhere to the Tridentine Mass: The Novus Ordo Mass, born out of and after the Second Vatican Council, was part of a necessary “reform,” said Roche. “After two world wars which had been initiated in the heart of Christian Europe, it was obvious that there needed to be an enormous reform within the Church,” he stated. Citing this “reform,” Roche criticized “those who are dragging their feet,” suggesting that by opposing this “reform” they are becoming “Protestant.”   That reform is taking place, but it’s a slow process because there are those who are dragging their feet with regard to this and not only dragging their feet but stubbornly opposing what the Church has actually decreed. That’s a very serious matter. In the end, people have to ask themselves: am ...

Traditiones Custodes Part H - Apostolic Letter Desiderio desideravi ... The Echoes of TC? (Rorate-Caeli - Turning Away from Benedict's Path to Communion )

 + JMJ  While many yearn for the return to the 'glory days' of Pope Benedict XVI, this is just a recency effect. It is true that Pope Benedict XVI tried the experiment of the Tradition and that Pope Francis weighed it and found it wanting. In a sense it is important to look forward and not backwards for the solution.  I know that probably sounds like heresy. However, I very much doubt that we'll have another Pope Pius V, IX or Xth.  If we're good we may, just may get another pontiff of the quality of Pius XII. There's a saying that a people gets the leader they deserve.  Well looking around, it appears that we deserve worse that Pope Francis and it is only a mercy of God that He didn't give us one. Pray and do penance, that is the way to right the ship. P^3 Courtesy of Rorate-Caeli “The Motu Proprio cut off the head of Benedict's line, and Desiderio buries its corpse” — Article by Luisella Scrosati In the city of Rome they seem not to have digested th...

Traditiones Custodes - A Deep Dive - Part G ... Francis Fights a “Preconciliar Mentality” in the Church ???

 + JMJ   For Catholics (Traditional and Other), I think we owe Pope Francis a debt of gratitude.  For decades the SSPX has been saying that the Second Vatican Council ushered not only a Novus Ordo Missae, but a rupture with the pre-Conciliar Church Magisterium. Traditiones Custodes, what may be Pope Francis' Magnum Opus , and the explanations that followed have validated this understanding by clearly stating that not only a Novus Ordo emerged from V2, but also a new ecclesiology and clean delineation between what came before V2 (pre-conciliar) and after (post-conciliar).   The 'preconciliar mentality' is, in this blogger's opinion, nothing more or less than the adherence to the Truth. The Truths of the Catholic Religion. Thanks to Pope Francis, the SSPX et al have been vindicated once more. Not only do we know that the Tridentine Mass was never abrogated, we also know that Vatican Two represents a clean line between what came before and after: rupture. P^3 Court...

Traditiones Custodes Part F - Apostolic Letter Desiderio desideravi ... The Echoes of TC? (Rorate-Caeli - An Admission of Failure)

 + JMJ   Pope Francis is a man of contradictions, speaking of accompaniment in one sentence while criticizing and chastising those who he claims to accompany. I wonder if the Church has suffered enough or if his successor will make Pope Francis look like a saint. P^3 Courtesy of Rorate Caeli     Apostolic Letter Desiderio desideravi : An Admission of Failure   Contemporary results of liturgical formation in the Novus Ordo, February 2022 (Holy Family, Inverness, Archdiocese of Chicago, USA) I do not see how it is possible to say that one recognizes the validity of the Council — though it amazes me that a Catholic might presume not to do so — and at the same time not accept the liturgical reform born out of Sacrosanctum Concilium ... ( Desiderio desideravi , 31) So writes Pope Francis in his Apostolic Letter Desiderio desideravi , released today, on the Solemnity of Saints Peter and Paul, which acts as yet another indicator - if any more were needed!...

Traditiones Custodes - A Deep Dive - Part E ... Communion of Faith or Government?

 + JMJ     So we have come to the conclusion.  Catholics are being asked to make a very difficult choice. It is a choice between the: Second Vatican Council's perceived teachings, a New Mass, New Sacraments (not extras but new liturgies) and a New Ecclesiology. and juxtaposition of the Teachings of the Church up to the Second Vatican Council, a Tridentine Mass, Sacraments and a pre-conciliar Ecclesiology. For those who have eyes to see the difference the choice is clear, hard because it requires sacrifice, but nonetheless the choice remains clear. P^3

Traditiones Custodes - A Deep Dive - Part D ... The Will of the Council Fathers

 + JMJ     Source: https://www.thespec.com/opinion/2019/09/30/st-joseph-church-pillar-of-compassion-in-southwest-hamilton-for-125-years.html     So ... we have to ask ... as the Bishops rejected the Prototypical New Mass ... would they really want a reformed liturgy like that described below??? (Reblog Tradicat:Comparison of the Tridentine, Cranmer and Novus Ordo Masses )  P^3 From: Whispers of Restoration (available at this link) . CHARTING LITURGICAL CHANGE Comparing the 1962 Ordinary of the Roman Mass to changes made during the Anglican Schism; Compared in turn to changes adopted in the creation of Pope Paul VI’s Mass in 1969 The chart on the reverse is a concise comparison of certain ritual differences between three historical rites for the celebration of the Catholic Mass Vetus Ordo: “Old Order,” the Roman Rite of Mass as contained in the 1962 Missal, often referred to as the “Traditional Latin Mass.”The Ordinary of this Mass is that of Pope St. P...

Traditiones Custodes - A Deep Dive - Part C ... The Dubia

 + JMJ   So there were some dubia about the Motu Proprio and with lightening speed the Pope has answered.  Would he had been half so energetic with the Dubia concerning Amoris Laetitia. I recently read that, as expected, new congregations and associations will be very hard to setup in the unfertile ground of Vatican II. P^3 https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20211204_responsa-ad-dubia-tradizionis-custodes_en.html   CONGREGATION FOR DIVINE WORSHIP AND THE DISCIPLINE OF THE SACRAMENTS   RESPONSA AD DUBIA on certain provisions of the Apostolic Letter TRADITIONIS CUSTODES issued “Motu Proprio” by the Supreme Pontiff FRANCIS   TO THE PRESIDENTS OF THE CONFERENCES OF BISHOPS   Your Eminence / Your Excellency, Following the publication by Pope Francis of the Apostolic Letter “Motu Proprio data” Traditionis custodes on the use of the liturgical books from prior to the reform of the Secon...

Traditiones Custodes - A Deep Dive - Part B ... The Explanatory Letter

+ JMJ     Source: https://www.mixonline.com/the-wire/doing-what-no-other-loudspeaker-can-do-a-single-point-source-danley-sm96-brings-crystal-clear-intelligibility-to-st-joseph-catholic-church   Source: Vatican.va  Well I find it interesting how the free standing altar is separated from the original altar by a partition. I wonder if it is original. Anyway, here's my thoughts on the explanatory letter that Pope Francis issues after the Motu Proprio. P^3   LETTER OF THE HOLY FATHER FRANCIS TO THE BISHOPS OF THE WHOLE WORLD, THAT ACCOMPANIES THE APOSTOLIC LETTER MOTU PROPRIO DATA “TRADITIONIS CUSTODES” Official translation Rome, 16 July 2021 Dear Brothers in the Episcopate, Just as my Predecessor Benedict XVI did with Summorum Pontificum, I wish to accompany the Motu proprio Traditionis custodes with a letter explaining the motives that prompted my decision. I turn to you with trust and parresia, in the name of that shared “solicitude for the whole Church, that co...