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 + JMJ   Tradical's Rambling Thoughts I think this comes down to three questions: Is the Novus Ordo Missae (NOM) valid?  Is it licit?  What does Donum Veritatis have to do with it? The first question is easy to answer: With the usual conditions the NOM is valid.  ( See this link ) The second question is a little trickier: Is the NOM licit?  Does it mean that it is a duly promulgated law of the Catholic Church? Short answer - probably in the formal / knowable sense. There's was a lot of arguments about this, focusing on whether or not it was a good law, but none of them really seemed to provide a definitive answer. The definitive answer will probably be given in a hundred years or so.😎 Does it mean that it doesn't contradict Church Teaching? Short answer - as promulgated it doesn't.  Likewise there's been a lot of argument about this as well.  I have yet to see someone identify a passage from the promulgated copy of the NOM that EXPLICITLY...

 + JMJ    Murrax brought up an interesting question in a comment here . ... do you have any advice when talking to conservative Catholics who use the document "Donum Veritatis" to say that the liturgical reform is valid and licit because it has been accepted by post-Vatican 2 popes and bishops. The relevant passage is this: "But it would be contrary to the truth, if, proceeding from some particular cases, one were to conclude that the Church's Magisterium can be habitually mistaken in its prudential judgments, or that it does not enjoy divine assistance in the integral exercise of its mission." Tradical's Short Answer If Murrax's opponent believes that the acceptance by post-V2 popes and bishops makes something right,then they should be Arians. During that crisis, the vast majority of bishops were Arian and the pope ... well that's a story for another day.  But in Donum Veritatis they are invoking a degree of infallibility, so in a way the mod...

+ JMJ I noticed that Dr. Lamont has posted a follow-up article on the infallibility of canonizations. Given this new article, I thought it would be a good idea to widen the perspective with a better version of the email that I posted a few weeks ago . Now I know that I am not a license theologian, as is Dr. Lamont ,and I am quite confident that he would dismiss my thoughts with a "he has no standing on this topic". Which would be partly correct and partly incorrect. Even someone with no standing can point out the issues that I believe Dr. Lamont fails to adequately address or only does so in an off handed manner.  So, for the record, I have attached a modified version of my article . I would like to draw your attention to one assertion that Dr. Lamont makes: Many supporters of the infallibility of canonizations have argued that it is impossible for a canonisation to be in error, because the public veneration of someone in the liturgy who is in fact no...

+ JMJ This is a timely article on infallibility as it appears that the faith of many Catholics is being tested by the cumulative effects of post-conciliar papacies. P^3 Courtesy of The Remnant The Infallibility of the Ordinary and Extraordinary Magisterium Written by  Robert J. Siscoe One of the more dangerous errors facing well-meaning Catholics today is extending infallibility beyond the limits taught by the Church.  While this error of excess may not have posed a problem for Catholics in the past, it certainly does today.  In fact, a brief perusal through the comments section of a Catholic blog shows that this error is one of the single greatest dangers for faithful Catholics today, due to the consequences that follow from it.  For in the current crisis of the Church and the Papacy, when confused and scandalized Catholics are searching for answers, an error of excess concerning the infallibility of the Pope (o...

+ JMJ Rorate-Caeli has posted an article by Dr De Mattei concerning the Vigano case (click here for link). While the exposure of the corruption at the highest levels of the Church is important, nay crucial, for the health of the Church, lancing the wound is only part of it. Dr. de Mattei made an interesting statement regarding canonizations. I have highlighted in red that key assertion: On April 27th 2014, John Paul II, however, was proclaimed a saint by Pope Francis, along with John XXIII. The canonization of a Pope means that in the execution of his office as Supreme Pastor of the Church, he had to have exercised on a heroic level, all virtues, including that of prudence. But whether out of complicity, negligence or imprudence, a Pope “covered up” for a “sexual predator”, one could legitimately doubt his wisdom and prudence. And if for Tornielli this is so, it means that he doesn’t consider John Paul II a saint. In any case, a prelate close to him and Pope Francis, Monsign...

+ JMJ A former pastor read my recent article on canonizations and provided an article to add to my ruminations. I was on the road and wrote this email on my Blackberry ...my thumbs were sore afterward.  As it was a good synthesis of my thoughts, I thought it would be to post it. P^3 Dear Father _______, Thank you for the article - which I will try to read in full this evening. I am presently in ______ ... This is not so much a hot topic as an emotional one that usually simmers. From my perspective, it is crucial that we adhere to Catholic principles and make clear distinctions. Even the more so given the scandalous canonizations that have been foisted upon the church by the last 3 pontiffs. The first distinction to make is that it is not a dogma that canonizations are infallible. The theological note is somewhere between common theological opinion and one level higher. It doesn't really matter which because the censures for contradicting the doctrine are t...

+ JMJ Just a quick note as I see that another person has jumped on the "Canonizations are not Infallible" bandwagan. First a list of the current links that I've noticed: https://onepeterfive.com/paul-vi-not-saint/ https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-authority-of-canonisations-do-all.html https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2018/10/de-mattei-true-and-false-saints-in.html https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/4137-the-canonization-crisis-part-ii http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02364b.htm This reference to Dr. Lamont's is telling: “ We need not hold that the canonizations of John XXIII and John Paul II were infallible, because the conditions needed for such infallibility were not present. Their canonizations are not connected to any doctrine of the faith, they were not the result of a devotion that is central to the life of the Church, and they were not the product of careful and rigorous examination. But we need not exclude ...

+ JMJ Something to keep in mind is that the mantra is being fully enforced. Now we have the thought coming to light that the Pope must not be reproached in public. Obviously, this is a case of been there, tried that, didn't work. If anything the Pope is accelerating his agenda. P^3 Courtesy of Dr. Shaw

+ JMJ I've been discussing an issue with a Catholic who adheres to the Sedevacantist thesis.  As rational discussions help to bring forth the truth on a matter, I have decided to publish some key aspects here. As is my wont, I will attempt to provide relevant authorities prior to delving into the argument put forth.

+ JMJ Understanding the levels of assent to be given to the teachings of the Church is a critical success factor in walking the knife's edge during this crisis of the Church.  The levels of assent are generally associated with the theological grades of certainty, which are not surprisingly mirrored by the censures for contravening the teachings of the various levels.

+ JMJ Concept and Classification of Dogma 1. Concept By dogma in the strict sense is understood as a truth immediately (formally) revealed by God which has been proposed by the Teaching Authority of the Church to be believed as such. The Vatican Council explains: Fide divina et catholica ea omnia crcde.nta sunt, quae in verbo Dei scripta vel tradito continentur et ab Ecclesia sive solemni iudicio sive ordinario et universali magisterio tanquam divinitus reve1ata credenda proponuntur. D 1792. All those things are to be believed by divine and Catholic faith which are contained in the Word of God written or handed down and which are proposed for our belief by the Church either in a solemn definition or in its ordinary and universal authoritative teaching.

+ JMJ Recently, I've been engaged in a 'dogmatic fact' discussion / argument and a thought occurred to me. Based on what reading I had done, I had concluded that the dogmatic fact of who is Pope was fixed in time - meaning that acceptance of the Pope at the time of election provided infallible surety that the election was valid and that indeed the elected Cardinal/Bishop was Pope at that moment. Then I realized that some people believed that the dogmatic fact meant they were always Pope.  At the time I thought they meant that the understanding of the doctrine was that the one time recognition made that person infallibly the Pope until he either abdicated or died. A light went on this morning. Does the continual acceptance of the Pope by the hierarchy continually 'refresh' the dogmatic fact - meaning we can be certain that the Pope is'still' Pope etc? I asked a friend (a real theologian) and he pointed out that the Pope is already elected. The...

+ JMJ I've been engaged in a 'dogmatic fact' discussion / argument and a thought occurred to me. Based on what reading I had done, I had concluded that the dogmatic fact of who is Pope was fixed in time - meaning that acceptance of the Pope at the time of election provided infallible surety that the election was valid and that indeed the elected Cardinal/Bishop was Pope at that moment. Then I realized that some people believed that the dogmatic fact meant they were always Pope.  At the time I thought they meant that the understanding of the doctrine was that the one time recognition made that person infallibly the Pope until he either abdicated or died. A light went on this morning. Does the continual acceptance of the Pope by the hierarchy continually 'refresh' the dogmatic fact - meaning we can be certain that the Pope is 'still' Pope etc? Instead of puzzling this out on my own, I contact a friend of mine who is a real theologian! ...

http://www.angelusonline.org/index.php?section=articles&subsection=show_article&article_id=2718 May 2008 Print Si Si No No #81 Religious Liberty and the Ordinary Magisterium Fr. Jean-Michel Gleize In a book published in March 2007, Fr. Bernard Lucien 1 devoted six studies to the question of the authority of the Magisterium and its infallibility: