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 + JMJ   I stumbled across an interesting article by a member of the Catholic Charismatic Movement trying to argue against the SSPX position on the CCR found in the posts earlier this month. When I saw the acronym I immediately thought of Credence Clearwater Revival , a rock band from the era of the Second Vatican Council.  Somehow the link between the Catholic Charismatics and a rock band seemed apropos. After reading the 'rebuttal' of the SSPX position, I thought it would be good to make a refresher on the topic.For the record here's the articles in question: To My Friends in the CCR: Why You Shouldn’t Attend SSPX Mass A key point in any debate of this nature is the truth of the statements, their alignment with reality and the arguments put forward to support the conclusion of this alignment.   The SSPX article uses a number of facts, supported by ample footnotes, supporting the conclusion that the word "Catholic" in the movements title is a misnomer . In shor...

+ JMJ This post by Dr. Malloy reminded me of the 'healings' taking place in some circles of the Charismatic movement (now an active virus in the Catholic Church). Amorth quotes the self-narrative of someone who was possessed, unwittingly. This person had many preternatural powers given to him by evil demons. He later discovered the origin of these remarkable powers. He repented, thanks be to Jesus Christ. But let us look at one of his powers. He could, of course, know hidden truths. This is one major characteristic of the possessed. But he could also take away pain or diminish it. This is how deep the powers of angels run. They can block pain. Remarkable. Imagine consulting this possessed person for a healing. One would only be led away from the grace of God. See Amorth, Exorcist , p. 40. Source: Theological Flint For more posts on the Charismatics see this series. P^3

+ JMJ Last post on this topic. Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass, in the last days, (saith the Lord,) I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy: and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams. I've heard this quoted by a Modern Catholic in support of the speaking of tongues, prophesying and (I believe) the end of the world. There's only one problem ... this is a prophesy that was already fulfilled as is obvious if one reads includes the previous verse: But this is that which was spoken of by the prophet Joel In otherwords, on the day of Pentecost, the prophesy of Joel was fulfilled. Ergo: We aren't waiting for this one to be fulfilled in today's age.  Been there, done that. The warning is simple: Don't be so desperate to find an excuses to not attend a Traditional Mass.  The only difference between the New Mass (as promulgated - just so we can set asi...

+ JMJ Source: EWTN The Truth about Speaking in Tongues "... Because all "speaking in tongues" was reinvented by heretical groups past the apostolic age, (read "Enthuisasm" by Msgr. Ronald Knox for the history of other charismatic movements) we must take movements like this with great caution and prefer the spiritual direction of the great doctors of the Church over men who think they know a way to Heaven better than Our Lord or the saints. As a matter of fact Msgr. Knox astutely notes that "speaking in tongues you never learned was and is typically thought of as a sign of diabolical possession. No one ever claimed it was a gift from God until the 16th century."..."

+ JMJ Source: Catholic Apologetics - Are You Charismatic or Catholic? Are You Charismatic or Catholic? "For false Christ’s and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect." - Mark 13:22 By Raymond Taouk The Origin of the present day Charismatic Movement can be traced back to the “holiness movement” which was began in the late 19th century in the united states by the Protestant preacher Charles fox Parham who began preaching (1901) to his topeka congregation that speaking in tongues was objective evidence of baptism in the spirit. After the Los Angeles mission of Parham's apostolic faith sect became the center of a great revival (1906) the movement quickly spread around the world. Over the next two decades the movement split along doctrinal and racial lines. Today the Charismatics generally go by the name of “pentecostalist” although the term “Charismatic” is the more generally u...

+ JMJ Source: Catholic Apologetics - The Pentecostal Speaking In Tongues The Pentecostal "speaking in tongues" For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce , if it were possible, even the elect. (Mark 13:22) Over the last half century we have witnessed the incredible growth of the pentecostal movement. Pentecostalism has even challenged the hold of the catholic church in south america, where there are 17 million pentecostal members in brazil alone. It has been estimated that in the United States alone, 200,000-300,000 Catholics have become "Pentecostal" or "Charismatic"( A NEW GUIDE AND ALMANAC RELIGIONS OF AMERICA , By Leo Rosten 1975 ). The hallmark of the pentecostal movement is its believe in miracles specifically speaking in "tongues". Most pentecostals believe that in order to be a "true christian one must be able to speak in the Spirit", in other words those religious...

+ JMJ SSPXorg:The Catholic Charismatic Renewal Fruit of the Second Vatican Council, seed of destruction Introduction Baptized in the "Spirit" "Baptized in the Spirit," "Praying in tongues," "The gift of prophecy," and "A personal relationship with Jesus" are all indispensable buzz-words of the so-called Catholic Charismatic Renewal (hereafter referred to as the CCR), a movement which traces its roots to an unsupervised student "retreat" at Pittsburgh’s Duquesne University in 1967. By 1990, the movement claimed 72 million adherents worldwide and official organizations in 120 countries. 1   Such rapid growth both here and abroad, coupled with the movement’s almost complete a...