Principles ... Guides to Live By - Just Make Certain They're Good Ones!!! (aka Michael Voris 2010 vs 2015)

JMJ

I mentioned some time ago that if Michael Voris persisted with his dogmatized opinions (ie Thou Shalt Not Criticize the Pope no matter what he does, SSPX is in schism, etc ...) he would end up painting himself into a corner.

Setting aside the schism opinion, there's his attack (for lack of a better word) on the SSPX for stating that Catholics should avoid the New Mass.

Well, the Remnant did a little digging and brought to surface the fact that a mere 5 years ago Mr. Voris held practically the same opinion as the SSPX.

Now, the question is who was right? Mr. Voris of 2010 or Mr. Voris of 2015??? I wonder if Mr. Voris will seek to explain the contradiction.

The lesson of not being too attached to celebrity Catholics is being repeated.

P^3

Courtesy of the Remnant

Michael Voris recently issued a stinging attack on the SSPX for releasing a video warning against the dangers of the Novus Ordo Mass. Yet, as it turns out, Voris himself held very similar opinions of the New Mass just five years ago.

For comparison purposes, I have provided an edited, condensed, version of Voris’ 2010 video below. It can be viewed in it’s entirety here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fpG2sQg_fg

Below are some of Voris’ key quotes regarding the Novus Ordo Mass. If anyone were doubting whether to follow the SSPX's advice on the New Mass, it seems all they have to do is watch Voris' 2010 video to confirm that they should avoid it:

“Certain individuals at Vatican II set about to destroy the theology of the Catholic Mass which would ultimately destroy the Catholic Church.”

“In fact many of those involved with the deformation of the Mass were not bashful at all about their work.”

“…one thing is absolutely certain this one man [Bugnini] set out on a course to so alter the Catholic Mass that at the very least it would lose practically any dimension whatsoever of being authentic Catholic worship…”

“Alice Von Hildebrand…said her husband Dietrich went to Paul VI when all this was happening and said this [the New Mass] is going to destroy the faith that this is horrible, it's going to wreck the faith of Catholics, that the theology of the mass is gone and substituted with something else…”

“…they [the faithful] appeal to the pope their dismissed and in the meantime a new mass is being engineered that almost totally downplays all Catholic worship in favor of the Protestant friendly approach…”

“We're not talking about the validity. What we're talking about is, is this authentic Catholic worship? Is this how Catholics worship God? Is this a break from the past that's so violent that you can't really say this is Catholic worship as we have understood it? Has the theology behind the Mass been so manipulated twisted and deformed that Catholics going to this Mass miss something of the theology compared to talking about the traditional Latin Mass, the Tridentine Mass.”

“To make a point, you can receive a sacrament validly and in the process still have your Faith endangered. ..We’re talking about, is this authentic Catholic worship? Is what is going on behind the scenes a possible detriment to your Faith? That’s the question! That’s what Dietrich Von Hildebrand is asking. That’s what Alice Von Hildebrand is asking. That’s what Peter Stravinkskas is asking. That’s what all of these people who have written all of these books are asking! Is this a danger? What’s going on? ”

“These are Protestants assessing the [New] Mass going ‘Hey, rock on Catholics! Took you 500 years but you caught up to us finally, good for you.”

“According to the man who essentially developed the Novus Ordo, the New Mass, the Mass most of us attend each week in our parishes, it had to be stripped of anything Catholic that would be a problem for Protestants. In short, the prayer, the public worship of the New Mass,…is it more Protestant or more Catholic? That is a very, very key question.”

"There’s no denying that since the New Mass, the Church, in its Catholic character, in its public worship, the living out the faith of the laity has simply been wiped off the map.”

“What’s he [Ratzinger] describing [regarding the Novus Ordo]? He’s describing Protestant services. That’s what he’s describing. Where you just kind of get together and celebrate yourself.”

“In 1967 after a series of small incremental changes, Bugnini unveils his vision for the new mass to a senate of bishops in the Sistine Chapel right under Michelangelo's glorious frescoes…reports are that this Mass was so repulsive and so disturbing that more than half of the bishop simply got up and walked out of the Mass…Two years later in 1969 on April 3^rd, Pope Paul VI officially promulgates this mass the Bugnini Mass, with little to no changes to the one presented in the Sistine Chapel.”

Morning and Evening and other sundry Prayers

+ JMJ Along the theme of P^3 (Prayer, Penance, Patience), and for my own reference ... here is a collection of Morning and Evening prayers from the Ideal Daily Missal along with some additional prayers. In this crisis of the Church, I do not think it is possible to do too much prayer, penance and have patience. P^3

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What the heck is a congregation of "Pontifical Right"

+ JMJ In a discussion with a friend the question occurred to me that I didn't actually know was is involved in being a religious order of 'pontifical right'. I had a vague notion that this meant they reported to Rome as opposed to the local diocese. I'm also aware that, according to the accounts I have heard, the Archbishop received 'praise' and the written direction to incardinate priests directly into the SSPX. This is interesting because it implies that the SSPX priests were no longer required to incardinate in the local diocese but in the SSPX. This is something that belongs to an order of 'pontifical right'. Anyway here's some definitions: Di diritto pontificio is the Italian term for “of pontifical right” . It is given to the ecclesiastical institutions (the religious and secular institutes, societies of apostolic life) either created by the Holy See or approved by it with the formal decree, known by its Latin name, Decretu...

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