Skip to main content

Auctorem Fidei

Can the SSPX be right about the Novus Ordo?

Revision: Feb 11, 2013

On another web forum, I was engaged in a rather heated discussion about the documents of Vatican II.



There were three parties to this discussion: Myself, Catholicam and Michael Wilson.

A number of points were brought up, but one put forth by Michael Wilson was new to me and I decided to research it further.

Basically, the SSPX holds that the Novus Ordo, while valid, is a danger to the Faith due to the defects and suppression of various acts and words.

Agreeing with the SSPX, Mr. Wilson held Auctorem Fidei as proof that the Novus Ordo was not an act of the Church as support for his thesis.

Auctorem Fidei

Michael Wilson held:
The Church has the protection from the Holy Ghost,1. preventing Her from teaching error 2.or enacting harmful, 3.or even useless legislation.


This he supported with:  
Denzinger 1578 . Prop. 78 of the Council of Pistoia; “Auctorem Fidei” P. Pius VI:  The prescription of the synod about the order of transacting business in the conferences, in which, after it prefaced "in every article that which pertains to faith and to the essence of religion must be distinuished from that which is proper to discipline," it adds, "in this itself (discipline) there is to be distinguished what is necessary or useful to retain the faithful in spirit, from that which is useless or too burdensome for the liberty of the sons of the new Covenant to endure, but more so, from that which is dangerous or harmful, namely, leading to superstitution and materialism"; in so far as by the generality of the words it includes and submits to a prescribed examination even the discipline established and approved by the Church, as if the Church which is ruled by the Spirit of God could have established discipline which is not only useless and burdensome for Christian liberty to endure, but which is even dangerous and harmful and leading to superstition and materialism,--false, rash, scandalous, dangerous, offensive to pious ears, injurious to the Church and to the Spirit of God by whom it is guided, at least erroneous.
Also, Quo Graviora by Gregory XVI:
 [ par. 168; from “The Church”, Papal teachings]….Once this is laid down, they state without any hesitation that on many points the discipline, the government and the forms of external worship in use in the Church are no longer suitable to the character of our times, and that what is harmful to the progress and prosperity of the Catholic religion must be changed…
Par. 169: they are falling into errors condemned by the Church in the Constitution Auctorem Fidei promulgated by our predecessor of holy memory Pius VI on August 28, 1794, in proposition 78 ….Are they not trying, moreover, to make of the Church something human; are they not openly diminishing her infallible authority and the divine power which guides her, in holding that her present discipline is subject to decay, to weakness, and to other failures of the same nature, and in imagining that it contains many elements which are not only useless, but even prejudicial to the well-being of the Catholic religion?
Further on reading Quo Graviora, I found

... And does it not produce the same effect to think that the present discipline of the Church rests on failures, obscurities, and other inconveniences of this kind? And to feign that this discipline contains many things which are not useless but which are against the safety of the Catholic religion? Why is it that private individuals appropriate for themselves the right which is proper only for the pope?

My Understanding of Mr. Wilson's Understanding of Auctorem Fidei


This is my understanding of Mr. Wilson's interpretation of Auctorem Fidei:

  1. The Catholic Church cannot enact harmful or useless legislation.
  2. The Second Vatican Council did enact harmful or useless legislation.
  3. Therefore
    1. Either it was not a Council of the Catholic Church or
    2. Since Councils must be ratified by the Pope, then
      1. Paul IV was not the Pope.

Considerations

Cardinal Ottaviani

After some thought, I concluded that the obviously Cardinal Ottaviani thought that the Church could enact legislation (liturgy) that would be harmful since he made the intervention and thought that there were issues with both the Novus Ordo as well as the general instructions.


Council of Trent

Further, I remembered that canon 7 of the Council of Trent stated something similar and may shed some light on how to interpret Auctorem Fidei.

Canon 7. If anyone says that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs which the Catholic Church uses in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety rather than stimulants to piety,[26] let him be anathema.
This looks very similar to Auctorem Fidei 78, and in the past it has been used as an argument against the position of the SSPX concerning the Novus Ordo.  I believe Mr. Pete Vere made such a claim in one of his early articles for Envoy magazine.

My first impression on reading this canon was that it obviously (intuitively) was referring to the liturgy of that time.  Reading further (St. Justin on Ignis Ardens) pointed out that my intuition was correct as Chapter V indicates:


CHAPTER V THE CEREMONIES AND RITES OF THE MASS And since the nature of man is such that he cannot without external means be raised easily to meditation on divine things, holy mother Church has instituted certain rites, namely, that some things in the mass be pronounced in a low tone and others in a louder tone. She has likewise, in accordance with apostolic discipline and tradition, made use of ceremonies,[15] such as mystical blessings, lights, incense, vestments, and many other things of this kind, whereby both the majesty of so great a sacrifice might be emphasized and the minds of the faithful excited by those visible signs of religion and piety to the contemplation of those most sublime things which are hidden in this sacrifice.
This is obviously referring to the rites of the Mass extant at that time, it is not stating that a future liturgy could not be flawed, yet valid.

Back to Auctorem Fidei


Regarding proposition #78 of Auctorem Fidei: 


First in assessing the applicability of the statement it is critical to understand the statement that was being condemned and why.

I have highlighted here what I believe to be the offending aspects of the statement:
"in this itself (discipline) there is to be distinguished what is necessary or useful to retain the faithful in spirit, from that which is useless or too burdensome for the liberty of the sons of the new Covenant to endure, but more so, from that which is dangerous or harmful, namely, leading to superstitution and materialism"
... the condemnation that follows:
...as if the Church which is ruled by the Spirit of God could have established discipline which is not only useless and burdensome for Christian liberty to endure, but dangerous and harmful and leading to superstition and materialism,--...at least erroneous.

and reading further in Quo Graviora we find the following:
to think that the present discipline of the Church rests on failures, obscurities, and other inconveniences of this kind?

So what was condemned as erroneous is the thesis that the present (at that time) liturgy contained useless and burdensome elements as well as elements that lead to superstition and materialism.

The final part is can the following statement, which refers to the past, be applied to the future.
"...as if the Church which is ruled by the Spirit of God could have established discipline which is not only useless and burdensome"

Conclusion


Although not conclusive for myself, at this time, I do not believe that the condemnation of Auctorem Fidei means the Church cannot implement ambiguous or even contradicting discipline/doctrine (as noted here).

First of all it lacks the level of condemnation that I would expect to see for an irreformable statement.

Second, it is referring to the discipline of the Church at that time and referring to how the liturgy/discipline developed.

I will pursue this topic at a later time.

NB: I want to get this off out of the 'draft' list. However, I'm probably going to work through this issue a few more times after I post it so I will update the revision listing.



References

Council of Trent Session 22
What is wrong with the Novus Ordo Missae

Comments

  1. Pius Vl said such is "at least erroneous". Fr. Hesse (STD & JD) belives this proves Vll was not of the Church

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. First "... Fr. Hesse believed ..." is more appropriate.

      Second ... it is his opinion and there's a little problem: The council was called by a Pope, attended by Catholic Bishops and affirmed by a Pope. Nor did they issue decrees at the level of infallibility.

      Ultimately, this is above our pay grade and taking the 'easy out' of saying it wasn't a council of the Catholic Church simply creates more problems - - - such as why was V1 a council of the Catholic Church?

      P^3

      Delete
    2. Tradical,
      your reasoning is defective; the Popes in the above statements condemn as erroneous that the discipline of the Church could be harmful to souls. Stating that the Popes only meant "the Church discipline of their time" is incorrect, since other Popes post Pius VI and Gregory have cited these documents as evidence of the "negative infallibility" of Church discipline.
      Also, per Dr. L. Ott in "Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma" pg. 296; stated that the Church "would remain the Institution of Salvation...until the end of the World". If the Church could ever teach harmful error or decree discipline that is harmful for souls, she would by that very fact, cease to be the "Institution of salvation", she claims to be.

      Delete

Post a Comment

Popular posts from this blog

News Roundup: July 11, 2025

 + JMJ This has been an interesting month for news ... First we had the leaking of the 2021 report on what I would call the "Survey of Tradition".  Not surprisingly, the report was generally positive and Pope Francis ... for whatever reason ... still proceeded with Traditionis Custodes.  Andrea Grillo is not pleased with this turn of affairs. I suspect that the 'leaking' of the report is a symptom of a course correction.  Time will tell as this pontificate unfolds.  I am still curious to hear if the SSPX Superiour General will be invited to Rome this summer while the Pope reclaims the Castel Gandolfo.   That is my critical success indicator for whether or not Catholics can really consider the pontificate of Pope Francis (RIP) are truly an aberration of the past. Then we have the firing of John-Henry Westen from Life Site News.  I have no idea what happened to cause the board coup - - - as close a the vote was - he is now out of LFN.  There is...

News Roundup: May 13, 2026

 + JMJ Introduction I have set this article to post on May 13th, the anniversary of the first of six apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary at Fatima. Fatima while a historical fact, still seems to point to the future.  Has the consecration been done according to her wishes?  Will another Pope do it again in the face of a world going mad and slipping into the same conditions that fostered two great wars? I don't know.  But I pray that the message of Fatima to repent and do penance is heard in the hearts of Catholics every where.  We carry the light to the world and need to illuminate the 'The Way'. The Catholic Church Obviously, the death of Pope Francis I and the election of Pope Leo XIV is a major development in the Catholic Church and the World. Just what the immediate outcomes of these two events will take some time.  I strongly suspect that there will be no calls of Santo Subito for Pope Francis.  If there is and if they do canonize Pope Francis ....

Rome,the SSPX and this time of Crisis - Updated

+ JMJ Obviously there's lots of events right now. First we have the April 1st - I almost thought it was April Fools - meeting between Pope Francis and Bishop Fellay.  Nothing really news worthy as this is a natural progression as Rome appears to be considering fulfilling Archbishop Lefebvre's wish to 'accept us as we are'. Second we have the April 8th publication of what will be a verbose exhortation of the Synod of the Family. I'm willing to bet that the Pope will give with one hand (unilateral regularization of SSPX) and take with the other (ambiguous document that opens the flood gates of sin further). Much to pray for. P^3

A Look Back: A short history of the SSPX

 + JMJ  I started a timeline a while back but never finished it.  Fortunately, here's one that brings us up to 1994!!! P^3 http://archives.sspx.org/SSPX_FAQs/a_short_history_of_the_sspx-part-1.htm   A short history of the SSPX A presentation given by Fr. Ramon Angles in Kansas City, MO, on the 25th Anniversary of the founding of the SSPX and reprinted from the January 1996 issue of The Angelus . Part 1 The history of the Society of St. Pius X begins, of course, in the mind of God. But do not believe that its temporal origin is to be found solely at the time of the post-conciliar crisis. The Society of St. Pius X was made possible ...