Skip to main content

The Elimination of Pockets of Resistance - II - UPDATED

+
JMJ

Updated - scroll to bottom

As I mentioned here, 'cue Fr. Greiger', he has now responded with another counter-post.

Everything is as it is normally, however then there was this:

Yet, riding the wave of the cutting edge “reporting” of Rorate Caeli, even a “real” journalist fails to do even the least amount of due diligence before tweeting the following:

This is from someone who writes for The Weekly StandardThe Wall Street Journaland The Spectator.  But he is just “repeating” what he read on Rorate Caeli.  Now, of course, New Catholic will deny he called the FI under commission a heretical order, but that is clearly what he meant.  Why else would a friar otherwise have no way out but to abandon the priesthood?  In fact, Rorate Caeli retweeted Schulman’s smear.
But be sure, no one will take responsibility for spreading the lie that the friars who support the Apostolic Commission are heretics, nor will anyone take responsibility for having sowed the seed of dissension and despair by suggesting that friars confronted with the duty to obey the Church in difficult circumstances will have no choice but to leave the priesthood.


Here we see a perfect example of the application of a confirmation bias driven by a cultural perspective.

Here is how Fr. Greiger parsed the statement thus:

  • Papal blacklist 
  • 4 (for) bishops 
  • who shelter refugees 
  • from heretical order 
  • condemned for being nonheretics?
In Fr. Greger's mind, he associates the order under the 'commission' with the statement 'heretical.

However, I don't parse it the same way ... perhaps because I do not assume a malfeasance on the part of Mr. Schulman.

  • Papal blacklist 
  • 4 (for) bishops 
  • who shelter refugees 
  • from heretical order condemned for being non heretics?

The FFI came under the 'commission' because of the 'crypto-lefebvrism' that Fr. Greiger opposes with such vehemence. 

In short, they touched upon the cultural assumption that Fr. Greiger holds strongly: The Second Vatican Council was a great event in the life of the Church and nothing is or can be wrong with the documents.  To hold this opinion is 'heretical'.

The commision holds the FFI as 'heretical' because they dared to question the Second Vatican Council.

However, given that the FFI members being chastised for their presumption havn't denied a dogma of the Church - they are non-heretics.

That's the way I see it ...

I guess Fr. Greiger just seeks offense in anything that doesn't correspond to his own narrative of the events.

P^3


PS.  My wife has noted that many time, when we have been accused of something, the accuser is often guilty of the same fault.
This is a plague upon the Church and the Internet is its delivery system.  The Catholic blogosphere needs a purge.  We need to stop the rumor-mongering and vicious gossip.
I wonder if Fr. Greiger's denunciation of his confreres, superiors et al as being crypto-lefebvrists constitutes rumor-mongering and vicious gossip?

My wife is very wise.

Update

Fr. Greiger tweeted Mr. Schulman.  Here's his response.


It would appear that my interpretation was closer to the mark.

P^3

Comments

Popular posts from this blog

Morning and Evening and other sundry Prayers

+ JMJ Along the theme of P^3 (Prayer, Penance, Patience), and for my own reference ... here is a collection of Morning and Evening prayers from the Ideal Daily Missal along with some additional prayers. In this crisis of the Church, I do not think it is possible to do too much prayer, penance and have patience. P^3

Benedict XIV, Encyclical Annus Qui 1749

 + JMJ At Mass today I started reading some of the commentary added to the Ideal Daily Missal, as I listened to the Gregorian Chant and Hymns, this is what my eyes fell upon. There is certainly no one who does not desire a certain difference between ecclesiastical change and theatrical melodies, and who does not acknowledge that the use of theatrical and profane change must not be tolerated in churches. Benedict XIV, Annus Qui, 1749 In my experience what is forbidden is what actually happens in Modern Catholic Churches (Latin Rite - Novus Ordo). P^3

Dogmatic Fact or Fancy III

+ JMJ Recently, I've been engaged in a 'dogmatic fact' discussion / argument and a thought occurred to me. Based on what reading I had done, I had concluded that the dogmatic fact of who is Pope was fixed in time - meaning that acceptance of the Pope at the time of election provided infallible surety that the election was valid and that indeed the elected Cardinal/Bishop was Pope at that moment. Then I realized that some people believed that the dogmatic fact meant they were always Pope.  At the time I thought they meant that the understanding of the doctrine was that the one time recognition made that person infallibly the Pope until he either abdicated or died. A light went on this morning. Does the continual acceptance of the Pope by the hierarchy continually 'refresh' the dogmatic fact - meaning we can be certain that the Pope is'still' Pope etc? I asked a friend (a real theologian) and he pointed out that the Pope is already elected. The...

De Veritate - St. Thomas Aquinas - What is necessary to believe explicitly?

I was recently introduced to a work of St. Thomas De Veritate ( Source ) in the course of an argument concerning the minimum content of explicit faith.  When I submitted the following quote as proof: Theological faith, that is, a supernatural faith in Revelation, is necessary, and this is an effect of grace (D 1789); nemini unquam sine ilIa contigit iustificatio (D 1793). As far as the content of this faith is concerned, according to Hebr. 11, 6, at least the existence of God and retribution in the other world must be firmly held, necessitate medii (by the necessity of means) with explicit faith. In regard to the Trinity and the Incarnation, implicit faith suffices. The supernatural faith necessary for justification is attained when God grants to the unbeliever by internal inspiration or external teaching a knowledge of the truths of Revelation, and actual grace to make the supernatural act of faith. Cf. De verite 14, I I.Ott - Fundamentals of Dogma p241 In response my opponent ...

SSPX and the Resistance - A Comparison Of Ecclesiology

Shining the light of Church Teaching on the doctrinal positions of the SSPX and the Resistance. Principles are guides used to aid in decision making.  It stands to reason that bad principles will lead to bad decisions. The recent interactions between Rome and the SSPX has challenged a number of closely held cultural assumptions of people in both sides of the disagreement. This has resulted in cultural skirmishes in both Rome and the SSPX. Since it is the smaller of the two, the skirmishes have been more evident within the SSPX.  The cultural fault-line that Bishop Fellay crossed appears to be linked to two points of Catholic Doctrine: Ecclesiology and Obedience.  The cultural difference of view points is strong enough that it has resulted in the expulsion of a number of members.  It should also be noted that some other priests expelled since the beginning of the latest interactions (starting in 2000) held the same view points and have joined with the l...