Skip to main content

Church Militant TV and the SSPX - Again

+
JMJ

The old narrative used to be that the SSPX was 'schismatic' and 'excommunicated'.

Now the excommunication has been lifted for a number of years and the only ones who think it still has effect are the 'resistors'.

That leaves the other opponents of the SSPX with the label 'schismatic'.

Make it clear, the conservative Catholics have issues with the SSPX probably because they violate some of their assumptions about the Faith and this crisis of the Church.

Church Militant TV is one of these the exists along the Catholic thought spectrum.

They like the Traditional Mass but must ensure that they don't get tarred with the same 'schismatic' brush that the liberals use against the SSPX.  So what do they do, they use the same brush against the SSPX.

The funny thing is that even when the Church does speak, they don't want to listen and persist in calling the SSPX 'schismatic'.

Here's a transcript of the latest screed with my comments. Source: Church Militant TV

P^3







The best description of the Church speak these days is vagueness. Day after day, various clergy in the Church speak in stridently UNCLEAR terms. There is a decided lack of clarity. Catholics know this.
I wonder if Michael is referring to the Pope?
They hear the absence of clarity Sunday after Sunday, press release after press release, and RCIA class after RCIA class. And there is a further problem with the lack of clarity: It is the near refusal to condemn what needs to be condemned, and the problem applies across a huge spectrum of issues. From the bogus visions of Medjugorge to the schismatic existence of the SSPX to the mad ramblings of dissidents in seminaries and Catholic universities, Rome rarely slaps down anything. And the problem is that as long as something isn't condemned, the followers or adherents of said issue can say, "Well, Rome hasn't said we're condemned, so we are okay."
This is a little funny.  I guess Michael is too young to remember the 'slap downs' on the SSPX 1988, FSSP 2000, FFI 2013.  The 'slap downs' are happening, just not to the people who (IMO) deserve it.
That sounds reasonable — but the issue is these problem cases that should be condemned are not, not because they are okay, but because the prevailing climate in Rome is to just wimp out and not offend anyone. So things that should have long since been slapped down are allowed to just hang around and fester and create confusion and more confusion added to even more confusion.
So, now Michael is Judge, Jury and Executioner.  Oh well ...
Back in the day, Rome was much more decisive, and with that decisiveness came clarity. No one was unclear once Rome had spoken. There was even the expression that "Rome has spoken, the case is closed."
I'm not quite certain how Rome could be more decisive in it early dealings with the SSPX.  First they 'excommunicated' them all - calling them schismatics (which you'll note has now been dropped from the official narrative).  Even though it didn't really stick since the canonical warning accidentally left that bit out.  Now they've called the SSPX Catholic (see Argentina) and dropped the 'Full Communion' canard.

Today, that expression needs to be updated to "Rome has not spoken, so the case is continually up in the air."
As noted, the problem is that Michael is unsatisfied (ie impatient) with the way things are proceeding with the liberals and the heretic oops - schismatic SSPX.  Well I'm glad Pope Francis has died and made Michael Pope ... oops there already is a Pope Michael - I wonder why Michael doesn't take a poke at the Sedevacantists?  Probably because everyone would say "who"?
This has caused some deep problems that continue to get worse, from schismatics feeling they are in good standing, to dissidents acting as though they are in good standing, to teachers of the Faith feeling they are allowed to teach their own personal opinions, to even bishops and cardinals taking the lack of slap down as encouragement to keep preaching their heresies.
Focusing on the 'schismatics feeling they are in good standing'.  I think Michael really needs to take a look at what happens when these people he calls 'schismatics' stand up for the Faith in a way that Michael hasn't had the graciousness to admit.  The 'schismatic' SSPX is the reason why the Summorum Pontificum was written. It was a pre-condition.  So while he sits in his ivory temple looking down upon the SSPX who have been slogging it out as best they can against the prejudice, the world has moved on and realized that hey, "the SSPX were right the TLM was never abrogated.  I wonder what else they were right about".
This is all done because so many in Rome simply do not want to give offense. They have forgotten, quite clearly, the line from St. Mark's Gospel wherein Our Blessed Lord had upset the leaders. Saint Mark tells us, "They took offense at Him."
Well, I think that Michael has really missed the point.  Rome offends Traditional Catholics all the time.  Its just the liberals et al that they don't seem to have the stomach to offend.
Rome needs to learn to grow offensive once again, and close a case or two — or even three or four.
I agree, I would love to see the SSPX in a no-compromise regularized situation.

I'm beginning to wonder if everytime the Pope makes a public mistake, such as accepting a communist 'cross' and not being offended, he has to take out his frustration on someone.

Source; Rorate


After all, Michael is on record as stating that he will never criticize an action of the Pope ... ever.  So when the Pope frustrates Michael, he turns on the easiest target: The SSPX.

Go ahead Michael, we've been in this fight longer than you and have been called names by people bigger than you.

We've developed thick skins for the truth and have recourse to these words:

Matthew
5:11. Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake:
5:12. Be glad and rejoice for your reward is very great in heaven. For so they persecuted the prophets that were before you.
P^3

Update:
Louie Verrecchio (How Michael Voris Rollsand Full Communion 101)  and Michael Matt of the Remnant have commented on the 'comments' of Michael Voris and CMTV.

The Tim of Angel Queen posted a letter sent from Mrs. Niles that contained the following:
People of good will can argue about the SSPX–but to smear the integrity of a man trying to live out the Faith simply because he refuses to support the SSPX is beyond the pale.
What she has missed is that this is not about Michael Voris refusing to support the SSPX.  This is about Michael Voris attacking the SSPX like the Liberal Catholics that he claims to be fighting.

It is about Michael Voris aggregating to himself the authority to claim that the SSPX is in a state of schism - that they are indeed 'schismatic'.

That is what this is all about.


Comments

Popular posts from this blog

Regarding Post: Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer no longer ... now Bishop Joseph Pfeiffer (Can't see this being a problem...)

 + JMJ   I've been watching the popularity of the post about Fr. Pfeiffer's attempted episcopal consecration and its continued top listing on the 'popular posts' list at the bottom of posts.  After some thought, I decided that I don't want to be responsible for anyone joining Fr. Pfeiffer's 'group', however unlikely that would be at this time. So I have reverted the article to the draft state. If anyone wants it reinstated, I would ask that they comment on this post with a rationale for reinstatement. P^3

Communique about Avrille Dominicans - SSPX.org

+ JMJ Having completed the review of the 'Avrille' perspective, this communique from the French District Superior is perfectly timed. I believe that the 'resistance' has lost rationality and further argumentation simply results in their holding on to their false ideal all the more firmly. Pray much ... First, for them to acquiesce to the grace of humility in order to obtain a clear perspective on the principles involved. Second, that we may remain faithful to the Church, and Her Dogmas, Doctrines and Principles. Lest we become that which against we strove ... P^3 Courtesy of SSPX.org

Validity of new rite of episcopal consecrations - Courtesy of SSPX.org

+ JMJ In the blogosphere there are number of responses to this crisis in the Catholic Church that lead to conclusions that run counter to Catholic Doctrine and Dogmas - if taken to their logical conclusion. The validity of the New Rite of Episcopal consecrations is one such hotspot within more extreme sections of the 'traditionalist' culture. Validity of new rite of episcopal consecrations Courtesy of SSPX.org Why the new rite of episcopal consecration is valid Introduction This comprehensive study was compiled to settle a debate that has been circulating in traditional Catholic circles. Some writers have examined the new rite of episcopal consecration and concluded that it must be invalid. Since this would cause manifest problems if it were true and due to the heightened awareness of such a theory, we present a study of this question concluding that it is valid. Following the Council, in 1968 a new rite for the ordination of bishops was promulg...

SSPX Transfers

+ JMJ Eponymous flow posted the following list of transfers etc. Source: http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2020/04/castling-of-leadership-at-sspx.html The departures Bishop Bernard Fellay, the third Superior General until 2018, leaves the General House in Menzingen and moves to the Seminary of St. Thomas Aquinas in the USA. Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, suffering from ill health, is being referred to the Seminary of St. Pius X in Ecene as a retreat. Fr. Christian Thouvenot, until now Secretary General of the General House, becomes a professor at the seminary in Ecene. Fr. Franz Schmidberger, until now Rector at the Seminary of the Heart of Jesus in Zaitzkofen, moves to the district of Germany. Fr. Jürgen Wegner, until now district superior of the DISTRICT USA, moves to the district of Austria. Fr. Philippe Brunet, until now Superior of the Autonomous House of Spain-Portugal, becomes professor at the Seminary U.L.F. and co-saviour of La Reja in...

SSPX.org: Don Davide Pagliarani Meets with Pope Francis

 + JMJ This meeting was noted a while back and  the announcement is generally aligned with what I heard through the grape vine. P^3   Courtesy of SSPX.org On Tuesday, February 8, 2022, Don Davide Pagliarani, Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX), went to Rome. On this occasion there was a personal meeting with Pope Francis, who received him in private audience for about half an hour. The informal conversation was very polite and gave the Superior General the opportunity to introduce himself to the Holy Father, whom he was meeting for the first time. This meeting made it possible to show that the SSPX has no other goal than to serve the Church in the midst of the current crisis. Fr. Pagliarani had the opportunity to make it clear to the Pope that everything the Society does has only this service in mind. Mutual good memories of Argentina were also exchanged. This visit by the Superior General to the Holy Father corresponded to a...