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The Fruits of the Council of Trent and the Fruits of the Second Vatican Council

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I want to revisit something that I stated in this article - the fruits of the Council of Trent as related by the Fathers of the First Vatican Council.



Point by point:

  1. Church Teaching: What dogmas were deepened after V2?  
  2. Errors: Since the Council what has been the reaction of the Church to those teaching error and those upholding the pre-conciliar doctrine?  The vast majority of the former have been rewarded (see Fr. Martin) and the latter punished.
  3. Discipline: Take a look around.  Since the Council there has been a complete breakdown in discipline.
  4. Clergy: Since the Council - nope.  As with everything other facet of Church life, there may be exceptions to the rule, but the rule is a priestly character replaced by that of social workers.
  5. Colleges: Ditto.
  6. Moral Life: Uber ditto
  7. Sacraments: While the lines for communion (for those who still go to Mass) may be long, the lines for Confession are practically non-existent. In the case where a proper absolution is given ...
  8. Union with the Pope: Hard to tell as my experience is that adherence to the Church seems to largely be a matter of sentimentality.
  9. Missionary Zeal: DOA
  10. Growth in Religous Orders: Practically any growth comes from the Traditional orders.  The rest is a wasteland.
  11. Charity: Cold. Perhaps even cryogenically so.  There are plenty of 'feel good' charitable organizations, but this is simple humanism. How many are full of charity to save souls?

So, from my perspective, in general, the fruits of V2 are the antithesis of Trent.

When these metrics start to turn around, then we'll see objective metrics that the show the Church emerging from this crisis.

Until then ...

P^3







Facet As Per Vatican I Trent Vatican II

1 Church Teaching Closer definition and more fruitful of the holy dogmas of religion Yes No

2 Errors Condemnation and repression of errors Yes No

3 Discipline Restoration and vigorous strengthening of ecclesiastical discipline, Yes No

4 Clergy Advancement of the clergy in zeal for learning and piety, Yes No

5 Formation of Children Founding of colleges for the training of the young for the service of religion Yes No

6 Moral Life Renewal of the moral life of the christian people by a more accurate instruction of the faithful, Yes No

7 Sacramental Life More frequent reception of the sacraments. Yes No

8 Communion Closer union of the members with the visible head, Yes ?

9 Missionary Zeal Increased vigour in the whole mystical body of Christ. Yes No

10 Growth Multiplication of religious orders and other organisations of christian piety; Yes No

11 Charity Determined and constant ardour for the spreading of Christ’s kingdom abroad in the world, even at the cost of shedding one’s blood. Yes No








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