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Monks de Morgon

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JMJ

So, I have become aware that the Monks De Morgon have joined the 'resistance' and published a 'doctrinal study'.

I didn't have time to read the whole study (it is !100 pages) and time is short, so I read a bit of the intro and parts of the conclusion.  I don't have time to do a proper translation so I used Google for those of you can't understand French.

The primary resistance issue is evident immediately.  They are afraid of contacts with Rome.  Logically, they will wait until Rome meets what they consider to be the conversion of Rome.  Sadly, as this is liberalism as the Monks are going to ignore the order from a legitimate authority ... like the rest of the 'resistance' they will simply scatter into their own personal opinions.


Why?  Because they are not willing to obey a legitimate command from the Authority of the Catholic Church.

What is missed is this: Rome hasn't even made it to the first level - accepting the SSPX as they are and burying the 'mantra' into the grave with Paul VI. Once we get to that step, then we will see what we see.

Now for a little thoughts on the conclusion:
Enfin, c'est notre devoir à l’égard des fidèles qui ont recours à notre ministère. Nous n’avons pas le droit de les conduire tout doucement vers les pâturages empoi-sonnés de Vatican II.
Finally, it is our duty to the faithful to use our ministry. We have no right to lead them slowly to the pagan pastures of Vatican II.
This is simply fear, uncertainty, doubt (FUD). They likewise have no right to disobey a legitimate command from the Vicar of Christ.
Nous savons que certains de ceux qui nous ont fait confiance souhaiteraient que nous suivions le mouvement et entrions dans la structure canonique, si Rome nous la concède. Autrefois, ces chers amis pensaient comme nous ; nous déplorons qu'ils aient changé. Mais nous ne leur en voulons pas du tout ; nous comprenons que la si-tuation est très délicate et qu’il n'est vraiment pas facile d’y voir clair. Puissent les pages qui précèdent leur avoir apporté quelques lumières. En tous cas, nous prions pour eux. Mais nous prions aussi pour nous-mêmes : « Veillez et priez, nous dit le divin Maître, afin que vous n’entriez pas en tentation ; l’esprit est prompt, mais la chair est faible290. »
We know that some of those who have trusted us would like us to follow the movement and enter the canonical structure if Rome concedes it. Formerly, these dear friends thought as we did; we regret that they have changed. But we do not want them at all; we understand that the situation is very delicate and that it is really not easy to see clearly. May the pages that preceded them have brought some light. In any case, we pray for them. But we also pray for ourselves: "Watch and pray," says the divine Master, "that you may not enter into temptation; the spirit is quick, but the flesh is weak. "
So the question I have to ask if is they did believe as the SSPX.  I find that as the SSPX threads a careful path aligned with Dogma, Doctrine, and Principles (see below) the 'resistance' continues to fracture along the lines of their personal opinions.

  1. Dogma: Pope has Universal Authority (V1)
  2. Doctrine: It is a Dogmatic Fact that Pope Francis is the Vicar of Christ
  3. Principles: True obedience as per St. Thomas Aquinas.

Oui, veiller : c’est est une condition fondamentale dans ce combat. La foi ne suf-fit pas, il faut encore lucidité et prudence.
Yes, to watch: this is a fundamental condition in this fight. Faith does not suffice, yet lucidity and prudence are necessary.
Well, I think they missed something, how is it be prudent to simply ignore requests from Rome?  That would be a vice as it would be ignoring a lawful superior.  Sorry, I simply can't reconcile their perspective with the rest of Church Teaching.
Mais cela non plus n'est pas suffisant : en effet, combien de nos devanciers, de-puis le Concile, avaient vu clair et pourtant sont tombés. C'est qu’en plus de la luci-dité, il faut la force, pour tenir envers et contre tout, quand bien même tout le monde irait contre ce que nous voyons être la volonté de Dieu. Il faut une force per-sévérante, pour tenir à l’usure du temps. Et la persévérance est avant tout une grâce.
But this too is not enough: indeed, how many of our predecessors, then the Council, had seen clear and yet fell. It is because, in addition to luci-dity, we must have strength, to hold ourselves against and against everything, even if everyone would go against what we see as the will of God. It requires a per-severe force, to keep to the wear and tear of time. And perseverance is above all a grace.
At the same time the Monks de Morgon overlook how the 'resistance' has fallen and splintered. In both cases (Resistance and Regularized Orders) there were compromises with Church Dogma, Doctrine and Principles.  For a clearer list of issues with the "Resistance" see the Series: Errorsof the Resistance and their heresies.

It is clear that the SSPX remains on the knife edge having not compromised.

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  1. As third order Franciscans in the society my wife and I looked to the Monks for guidance, as we had been very blessed to have met two of them a few years back when they were here in the States. Now, not so sure. A difficult situation, with them there, and us here, and not knowing exactly where they stand.

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