Skip to main content

Cynical Resistors 2b - Core issue, the communion of the seers a the 'hand' of an angel

+
JMJ

Now back to the topic of Fatima.

One issue that causes Gerard problems is the highlighted event related by Sister Lucia:
As soon as we arrived there, we knelt down, with our foreheads  touching the ground, and began to repeat the prayer of the Angel: “My God, I believe, I adore, I hope and I love You...”, I don’t know how many times we had repeated this prayer, when an extraordinary light shone upon us. We sprang up to see what was happening, and beheld the Angel. He was holding a chalice in his left hand, with the Host suspended above it, from which some drops of blood fell into the chalice 14. Leaving the chalice suspended in the air, the Angel knelt down beside us and made us repeat three times [The Fatima Prayer of Reparation] Then, rising, he took the chalice and the Host in his hands. He gave the Sacred Host to me, and shared the Blood from the chalice between Jacinta and Francisco 15, saying as he did so: “Take and drink the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, horribly outraged by ungrateful men! Make reparation for their crimes and console your God.”
In addition, I noted the following footnote in the edition that I have:
15. Francisco and Jacinta had not yet received their First Communion. However, they never regarded this as a sacramental Communion

Before diving into Gerard's list of objections lets consider what is related:
  • The Angel gave the
    • Sacred Host to Lucia
    • Blood from the chalice to Jacinta and Francisco
  • Francisco and Jactina
    • Had not yet receive their First Communion
    • Did not regard the reception of the Blood as a sacramental Communion.
First, I will state that my over-arching starting point and assumptions are:
  1. That the Church did, after its investigation, provide approval for the Marian apparitions. 
  2. That these events were related to the inquisitor assigned by the Church and that they were only made public at a later time.
  3. Although the Church approval makes no specific mention of prelude (visit of the Angel), they have not been condemned and I assume that there is no theological error in this regards.
Now to test my assumptions to the best of my ability:
  1. It is a fact that the local ordinary provided approval in 1930 after a canonical inquiry.  Further the Popes from 1917 onwards have referenced Fatima and integrated it into the liturgy.  These elements are not binding in the normal sense, but with the level of authority we can safely say that we have a strong foundation upon which to stand.  For further reading the article "An Assessment of Fatima" provides a good perspective although the author issues concerns with the post Fatima events.
  2. A Catholic principle is to assume the good-will of people.  This also applies to those in positions of authority.  The canonical inquisitors and Sister Lucy were both regarded to have fulfilled their duties.
  3. The prelude would have been discussed in during the canonical inquiry, but there was no 'message' at this point, just that the children were being prepared for their role.
So we have no reason to doubt the account of Sister Lucia and the children.  What about the provision of the host to Sister Lucia and the Blood to her cousins.

It is important to remember that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ and that he has authority over Church discipline / laws etc. So, here we find a possible explanation for the different modes of communion provided by the Angel.  

Sister Lucy had already received her first Holy Communion and so, following the laws of the Church regarding the Sacraments, the was able to receive from the 'hand' of the Angel.

However, Jacinta and Francisco has not received their first Holy Communion and so they were not able to receive the Sacrament of the Eucharist.  

In my reflections, I have concluded that footnote 15 holds the seed of the answer.  Francisco and Jacinta did not consider the Blood that they received to be Sacramental. What is a sacramental Communion. It is a the receipt of the Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ under the accidents (appearance) of Bread and / or wine. The account provided above shows that they did not receive Our Lord in this manner, but simply the Blood of Our Lord with the accident and substance united. In other words, it was not a sacramental Communion and therefore not bound by the laws of the Church. (Note: I later found that this is the reception of the Body  / Blood under its visible form - no transubstantiation was required)

Similarly, as the children were not making a sacramental first Communion, I find no issue with their not having first Penance as was decreed as a precursor to sacramental first Communion.

Finally, assuming that truthfulness of Sister Lucy and her cousins, I believe her account that an Angel, a messenger of God, gave them communion (as has been done throughout the history of the Church).  I further find it credible to believe that the God and therefore the Angel would know the state of the souls of the children. Meaning that they were in a state of grace and prepared for receiving Our Lord Body and Blood both sacramentally in the case of Sister Lucy and non-sacramentally in the case of Jacinta and Francisco.

Some may object to the children drinking a few drops of blood, however this belies a lack of either understanding or faith.

Every time we receive the host, we receive the Body and Blood of Christ, it isn't wine and it isn't bread.  I will repeat, we eat the Body and Blood of Christ when we receive, although the accidents (appearances) are different, it is exactly the same substantially.  

This is an important distinction to make.

Even more important if a person want to accuse them of cannibalism or hematophagy (read Gerard).

In my research I came across a number of debates and this would, I think require a much deeper examination. I am reluctant to do so because there is no real 'literature' to search it in order to develop an understanding.  I checked my book on moral theology and these topics are not contained in the tome.

P^3

Comments

Popular posts from this blog

The Curious Case of Steve Skojec and the Dangers of Deep Diving into the Crisis Sub-Titled: The Failings of Others

 + JMJ It's been a while now since Steve Skojec sold 1P5 and abandoned the Catholic Faith. I've been a 'Trad' since 1982 and in those 40+ years I seen this death-spiral before with a similar end point. It seems that anyone who jumps into the fray unprepared for the enormous task of righting wrongs will, eventually, become discouraged by not the task but the people who surround them.   I remember when Skojec complained of the treatment his family received from a traditional priest.  This seems to have been the start of the end for him. So what can we learn from the likes of Steve Skojec, Michael Voris (maybe?), Louie Verrecchio, Gerry Matatix and other celebrity Catholics? Probably quite a lot about what not to do. First, don't burn out on the crisis?  When you burn out, on work or anything else, little things assume a more greater importance than they are due.   This is one of my 'canary in the coal mine' signals that I've been stretching myself too th...

Cathinfo and the 'resistance' perspective (updated with response to comment)

+ JMJ Matthew, the owner of Cathinfo - a resistance forum has posted a response to a person that indicated his reasons for continuing to go to the SSPX.

Morning and Evening and other sundry Prayers

+ JMJ Along the theme of P^3 (Prayer, Penance, Patience), and for my own reference ... here is a collection of Morning and Evening prayers from the Ideal Daily Missal along with some additional prayers. In this crisis of the Church, I do not think it is possible to do too much prayer, penance and have patience. P^3

Communique about Avrille Dominicans - SSPX.org

+ JMJ Having completed the review of the 'Avrille' perspective, this communique from the French District Superior is perfectly timed. I believe that the 'resistance' has lost rationality and further argumentation simply results in their holding on to their false ideal all the more firmly. Pray much ... First, for them to acquiesce to the grace of humility in order to obtain a clear perspective on the principles involved. Second, that we may remain faithful to the Church, and Her Dogmas, Doctrines and Principles. Lest we become that which against we strove ... P^3 Courtesy of SSPX.org

Rorate-Caeli: SSPX Episcopal Consecrations – Ignoring the Past

 + JMJ  My current thoughts on the eventual consecration of new bishops by the SSPX. It is not a matter of if but when. The SSPX will ask for permission from Rome. #2 is what faithful non-schismatic / non-sedevacantist Catholics will do. It is ludicrous to say that one can't accept a bishop that Pope Francis gives permission to be consecrated.   What if Pope St. John Paul II had given permission for the four consecrated in 1988? Rome may or may not give permission ... but ... This may be taken as an opportunity to restart discussions Pope Francis is just the type of person to do it. So what?  We need to pray because as long as the SSPX is not given a no-compromise regularization, the Church is not on a path to recover from the current crisis. End Stop. P^3     Courtesy of RORATE CÆLI: “SSPX Episcopal Consecrations – Ignoring the Past” – Guest article by Joseph Bevan “SSPX Episcopal Consecrations – Ignoring the Past” – Guest article by Joseph Bevan...