Is Dogma Important

Is Dogma Important - Part III

JMJ

As I mentioned in part 1 of this series Ecumenism of 'convergence', as put into practice since the Second Vatican Council has resulted in the suppression of expressions of the faith.

It happened to the Mass and the rest of the rites.

It has also happened to the Creed in the Ukranian rite with the suppression of the Filioque.

Here is a follow-up on the Filioque from St. Alphonse de Liguouri's "History of Heresies".

11. Finally, in the Council of Florence, held under Eugenius IV., in the year 1438, in which both Greeks and Latins were again united, it was decided unanimously, " that this truth of Faith should be believed and held by all Christians, and that all should then profess that the Holy Ghost eternally proceeds from the Father and the Son, as from one principle, and by one spiration; we also define, explaining the word " filioque" (and from the Son), that it has been lawfully and rationally introduced into the Creed, for the sake of declaring the truth, and because there was a necessity for doing so at the time." Now, all those Councils in which the Greeks joined with the Latins in defining the procession of the Holy Ghost from the Father and the Son, supply an invincible argument to prove that the schismatics uphold a heresy, for otherwise we should admit that the whole united Church, both Latin and Greek, has defined an error in three General Councils.

I would like to know who thought that it is no longer necessary to express the dogma that the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and the Son in this time of doctrinal obfuscation within the Church.

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Comments

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