People are not complicated, they're complex

JMJ

I came across an article "Managing the Complicated vs the Complex" and thought that it presented an interesting perspective on people.

A complicated system is one in which there is usually a predictable outcome by knowing the starting conditions. A complex system in which the same conditions can produce different outcomes, depending on "interactions of the elements in the system."

People are unpredictable because they are complex, not complicated, people are non-linear.

For example, normally we would assume that a person will take actions that are best for them. However, I have been witness to a person who took actions that weren't best for them, but were the worst possible from someone else. This doesn't make sense, but people aren't always predictable, they're complex.

Another example is Catholicam, I know I come back to this exchange from about a decade ago, but it is useful (see link Cognitive Dissonance).

Rationally, Catholicam should have accepted the proof that I demonstrated that what he thought was "... liberal ecumenist hogwash, straight from Vatican II ...", but being a complex human being Catholicam made a different decision, that of denial. I don't know where he is now, but I hope that he has been able to accept that sometimes what he believes to be true is not.

It is a complex world, full of complex people and the Second Vatican Council was a complex event in a Church that should be just complicated, but people make it is complex.

P^3

Reference

Managing the Complicated vs. the Complex
By John M. Kamensky

https://www.businessofgovernment.org/sites/default/files/JohnKamensky.pdf

Comments

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