Thoughts on: Finding Common Ground Between Rome and the SSPX

JMJ

In the ramp up to the consecrations the noise floor in the intergnat grew to a constant din. This was one of the few the peeped its signal over the noise.

https://crisismagazine.com/opinion/finding-common-ground-between-rome-and-the-sspx

The key issue is contained in this paragraph:

In the lead-up to the planned July 1, 2026, episcopal consecrations, the SSPX rejected Rome’s offer of doctrinal dialogue on the grounds that “we both know in advance that we cannot agree doctrinally, particularly regarding the fundamental orientations adopted since the Second Vatican Council.” Fr. Pagliarani also said that his previous attempt at dialogue in 2019 was shut down by Rome because of an assumed irreconcilability. It seems that, from the Society’s perspective, and perhaps from Rome’s too, their positions are incompatible.

If memory serves, Rome killed any opportunity for an open discussion by stating that Vatican II was not up for debate.

So it was a still-birth and I think that Card. Fernandez et al wanted it that way. Paraphrasing a Cardinal, 2009 words, it would only be a matter of time before the SSPX was once again labelled as schismatic.

Echoing a confused Diocesan priest (RIP), "I don't know what they're so afraid of..." in reference to the Traditional Mass.

I believe I know what they're afraid of ... a Catholic Church that reasserts these words from the SSPX Profession of Faith (Tradicat Link), with all due charity:

I finally profess that the Old Covenant has been fulfilled, surpassed, and rendered obsolete by the New Covenant, which is the fulfilment of the promise made to Abraham, in Christ and in His Church. The figures of the old Law have found their realization and their cessation in the Sacrifice of the true Lamb, Mediator of the New Covenant and Priest forever according to the order of Melchisedech. By the eternal Will of God, the true descendant of Abraham is Christ, together with those who belong to Him in His Mystical Body, which is the Church.

P^3

Comments

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+ JMJ I've been watching the popularity of the post about Fr. Pfeiffer's attempted episcopal consecration and its continued top listing on the 'popular posts' list at the bottom of posts. After some thought, I decided that I don't want to be responsible for anyone joining Fr. Pfeiffer's 'group', however unlikely that would be at this time. So I have reverted the article to the draft state. If anyone wants it reinstated, I would ask that they comment on this post with a rationale for reinstatement. P^3

Auctorem Fidei

Can the SSPX be right about the Novus Ordo? Revision: Feb 11, 2013 On another web forum, I was engaged in a rather heated discussion about the documents of Vatican II.

Tradicat

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