The Line of Archbishop Lefebvre

The Line of Archbishop Lefebvre - Reboot 2

JMJ

Another proxy for the 'no canonical regularization ...' mantra is the following quote from the 1991 interview given by Archbishop Lefebvre.

However, one day they will be obliged to recognize that the Society represents a spiritual force and a strength of the Faith which is irreplaceable and which they will have, I hope, the joy and the satisfaction to make use of, but when they have come back to their Traditional Faith.

The underlined section is also a favorite proof text of the 'Resistors' and I suspect their fall-back position to my last post on this topic.

In 2013, in comparing interviews and statements given one year apart I wrote the following:

How to reconcile these two phrases uttered but a year apart? Does one negate the other? That does not seem likely since the first half of this later quote basically repeats the first words given a year earlier.
As for the second half, it clearly manifests a direction for the SSPX that leads back to Rome, when Rome will make use of the SSPX with both joy and satisfaction. Some would say that this indicates that the principle of 'no regularization without a doctrinal agreement' is embodied in these words and therefore fixed.
This mindset leads leaves unanswered more questions:

How would a return to the Traditional Faith be manifested?

Who needs to manifest it? The entire Church or just the Pope who is the foundation of the Church?

Which is the higher level of authority? The Pope or Archbishop Lefebvre?

Is it lawful to refuse a legitimate command of the Pope because of these words?

The answer to my question is actually embedded within the words of Archbishop Lefebvre from both interviews.
When a Pope realizes the vitality and value of Tradition as embodied in the SSPX, is willing to recognize as them as they are, to allow them to continue Tradition as they are doing, (words of Archbishop Lefebvre), then that Pope will have "come back to [his] Traditional Faith."

Even taking the quote out of context ( a favorite habit of the 'Resistors'): What signs would be required to conclude that 'they' have come back to their Traditional Faith?

I would stand by my thesis that "accept us as we are", would be a first step in demonstrating that change of heart.

P^3

Further Reading
Tradicat: Resistance mis-perception
Tradicat: Bishop Williamson denounces the resistance
Tradicat: Open letter to Canadian 'Resistors'
Tradicat: What is the 'Resistance' hiding? Part 1
Tradicat: What is the 'Resistance' hiding? Part 2
Tradicat: What is the 'Resistance' hiding? Part 3
Tradicat: What is the 'Resistance' hiding? Part 4
Tradicat: What is the 'Resistance' hiding? Part 5
Tradicat: One and two years after the consecrations

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