Michael Voris vs Taylor Marshall?

JMJ

So it looks like Mr. Voris et al back away from calling the Pope a heretic or something he says is heretical . . . well, I typically don't do that, however if the Pope says something that is obviously heretical it isn't wrong to point this out and perhaps even to, in exasperation call the person who uttered those words a heretic.

I listened to the part 1 of the pod cast and frankly, what is important is that he is simply asking people to compare what the Church taught before vs post V2. I didn't hear him say that the pope isn't pope, but basically that he uttered heresy.

No surprise -that's why there was the correction.

Here's Mr Voris' admonition ...

No layman should be making comments like that publicly [about whether Francis is an anti-pope or heretical]. I think it's sinful [deep, serious voice]; it's scandalous...that you could throw out a possibility that could lead people out of the Church....They better check themselves and I'm talking about all the various people that you know and I'm not going to say their names on air, but they have no right saying this sort of thing, particularly if they're a convert to the faith and built up some big celebrity following and now just want to get click baits.h/t Les Femmes:Michael and Christine on Valentine's Day! Aren't They a Cute Couple?

The real issue that Voris et al are ignoring is that Pope Francis is 'Teaching' what appears to be heresy and leading ignorant Catholics blissfully into said materially heretical state.

That is an important thing and frankly Voris et al, but not clearly stating the Catholic Truth vs what Pope Francis said is ... well a dereliction of duty as a Catholic with a big 'following'. People trust him to tell the truth and not whitewash over these things.

Perhaps Voris et al's version of the truth is only reserved for their attacks of the SSPX etc.

The last bit of the quote strikes me as hypocritical as I get the impression from their titles etc that Voris et al also play the click bait game.

...particularly if they're a convert [or revert] to the faith and built up some big celebrity following and now just want to get click baits.

These words could just as easily be applied to Voris et al.Someone needs to take a really good long look in the mirror.

P^3

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