Thoughts on some Comments on my Post on Auctorem Fidei and How many more must die for the throne.

JMJ

Auctorem Fidei Revisited

On January 3 "Unknown" posted some comments on a 2013 post about auctorem-fidei here.

Unknown: your reasoning is defective; the Popes in the above statements condemn as erroneous that the discipline of the Church could be harmful to souls. Stating that the Popes only meant "the Church discipline of their time" is incorrect, since other Popes post Pius VI and Gregory have cited these documents as evidence of the "negative infallibility" of Church discipline.

I wish Unknown would have provided a reference. But what is "negative infallibility"? I covered this in an article on infallibility here. Please read the whole article Fr. Peter Scott addresses the objection.

Unknown: Also, per Dr. L. Ott in "Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma" pg. 296; stated that the Church "would remain the Institution of Salvation...until the end of the World". If the Church could ever teach harmful error or decree discipline that is harmful for souls, she would by that very fact, cease to be the "Institution of salvation", she claims to be.

This seems to be a restatement of the original objection. In addition to citing Fr. Scott's analysis, I will simply ask the same question that I asked of another person in 2012: Please find a document that explicitly directly contradicts a doctrine on Faith and Morals.

That is the key thing - you need to demonstrate that the documents of V2, the Novus Ordo etc - as promulgated explicitly and positively are harmful to souls.

The problem with what I've read in these two categories is that they are either ambiguous or silent on the topics at hand.

So ... if is isn't explicit ... it is implicit ... if it is implicit it doesn't contravene the doctrine.

P^3

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A Look Back: A short history of the SSPX

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Morning and Evening and other sundry Prayers

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Dogmas of the Catholic Faith (de fide) - Expanded Listing: Answer for Reader

+ JMJ A reader asked the following question in the 2015 version of the article on the Dogmas of the Catholic Faith (link) : 117: "In the state of fallen nature it is morally impossible for man without Supernatural Revelation, to know easily, with absolute certainty and without admixture of error, all religious and moral truths of the natural order." Where can you find this in the documents of the Church? ( Link to comment ) Here's the reference from Ott: The citation that Ott provided was Denzinger 1786 and the source document is Dogmatic Consitution Concerning the Faith from the First Vatican Council (Papal Encyclicals - link) : Chapter 2 On Revelation, Article 3: It is indeed thanks to this divine revelation , that those matters concerning God, which are not of themselves beyond the scope of human reason, can, even in the present state of the human race, be known by everyone, without difficulty, with firm certitude and with no intermingling of error. Here's ...

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