Conclusions & Lessons Learned

JMJ

After more than four years of engaging in discussions (in-person and online) with:

'Modern' Catholics
Resistors
Sede-Vacantists

I have arrived at the following principles for keeping discussions from flailing from one issue to another without ever reaching agreement on key points.

Tradical's Principles for Principled Discussions (TPPD)

Keep calm, it is not your truth, it is the truth (Archbishop Lefebvre)
It is pointless to argue with a person who defends an absurdity.
Be aware of cultural landmines and when tripped, step back.
Don't argue opinions, anchor all discussions in Doctrine!

Sadly, I have found that most people have a hard time reconciling their 'beliefs' with the teachings of the Catholic Church.

Pray and Study!!!

P^3

Comments

Morning and Evening and other sundry Prayers

+ JMJ Along the theme of P^3 (Prayer, Penance, Patience), and for my own reference ... here is a collection of Morning and Evening prayers from the Ideal Daily Missal along with some additional prayers. In this crisis of the Church, I do not think it is possible to do too much prayer, penance and have patience. P^3

Comparision of the Tridentine, Cranmer and Novus Ordo Masses

+ JMJ I downloaded the comparison that was linked in the previous article on the mass (here) . ... a very good reference! P^3 From: Whispers of Restoration (available at this link) . CHARTING LITURGICAL CHANGE Comparing the 1962 Ordinary of the Roman Mass to changes made during the Anglican Schism; Compared in turn to changes adopted in the creation of Pope Paul VI’s Mass in 1969 The chart on the reverse is a concise comparison of certain ritual differences between three historical rites for the celebration of the Catholic Mass Vetus Ordo: “Old Order,” the Roman Rite of Mass as contained in the 1962 Missal, often referred to as the “Traditional Latin Mass.”The Ordinary of this Mass is that of Pope St. Pius V (1570) following the Council of Trent (1545-63), hence the occasional moniker “Tridentine Mass.” However, Trent only consolidated and codified the Roman Rite already in use at that time; its essential form dates to Pope St. Gregory the Great (+604), in whose time the R...

SSPX and the Resistance - A Comparison Of Ecclesiology

Shining the light of Church Teaching on the doctrinal positions of the SSPX and the Resistance. Principles are guides used to aid in decision making. It stands to reason that bad principles will lead to bad decisions. The recent interactions between Rome and the SSPX has challenged a number of closely held cultural assumptions of people in both sides of the disagreement. This has resulted in cultural skirmishes in both Rome and the SSPX. Since it is the smaller of the two, the skirmishes have been more evident within the SSPX. The cultural fault-line that Bishop Fellay crossed appears to be linked to two points of Catholic Doctrine: Ecclesiology and Obedience. The cultural difference of view points is strong enough that it has resulted in the expulsion of a number of members. It should also be noted that some other priests expelled since the beginning of the latest interactions (starting in 2000) held the same view points and have joined with the l...

A Look Back: A short history of the SSPX

+ JMJ I started a timeline a while back but never finished it. Fortunately, here's one that brings us up to 1994!!! P^3 http://archives.sspx.org/SSPX_FAQs/a_short_history_of_the_sspx-part-1.htm A short history of the SSPX A presentation given by Fr. Ramon Angles in Kansas City, MO, on the 25th Anniversary of the founding of the SSPX and reprinted from the January 1996 issue of The Angelus . Part 1 The history of the Society of St. Pius X begins, of course, in the mind of God. But do not believe that its temporal origin is to be found solely at the time of the post-conciliar crisis. The Society of St. Pius X was made possible ...

Opportunities Hide Inside Crises

+ JMJ A crisis (from the Greek κρίσις - krisis; [1] plural: "crises"; adjectival form : " critical ") is any event that is going (or is expected) to lead to an unstable and dangerous situation affecting an individual , group , community , or whole society . Crises are deemed to be negative changes in the security , economic , political , societal , or environmental affairs , especially when they occur abruptly, with little or no warning . More loosely, it is a term meaning "a testing time" or an " emergency event". ( Wikipedia ) While thousands will be sick and die, in the face of eternity we need to be more concerned about the crisis that darkens souls with sin. In other words, we need to fear more the one who can 'kill' the soul, than the body. We each have an obligation to work for the salvation of souls based on their relationship with us. The closer the relationship the stronger the obligation. Obviously, it starts with ou...

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