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FSSPX.news: Pope Francis Worries About Traditionalist Positions

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JMJ

 On May25th Rorate-Caeli reported that Pope Francis intends to modify (extent unknown) Summorum Pontificum.

It is of interest no so much what Pope Francis says, but how we learn about it.  Here again is second hand report of someone concerning the concern that Pope Francis has concerning 'Traditionalists'.

It has been said that Pope Francis is imbued with an Argentinian political ethos - saying contradictory things to people ... I believe this is in order to keep them all off balance.

So how to keep balance in the quagmire of this pontificate?  

Simple, study the faith and stick to Catholic principles.  Otherwise you'll pick a hill to die on and discover that it is just a little knoll. 

From my perspective, there are many people standing on knolls these days all shouting that theirs is the mountain to die upon.

My answer: not so.

If the Pope does suppress Summorum Pontificum, then we just need to stick to the principles that brought us to Tradition in the first place.

For those who adhere to Tradition for emotional reasions, well, it's been nice knowing you.

P^3


Courtesy of FSSPX.news

As the drift of the Church in Germany grows daily, and the laws against life grow ever wider, Pope Francis is concerned about the “traditionalist” training of priests. At least that is what Cardinal João Braz de Aviv, Prefect of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life, has stated.

Cardinal Braz de Aviv, speaking in a videoconference colloquium for the 50th National Week for Institutes of Consecrated Life, revealed that, during a recent meeting with Francis, Peter's successor expressed his fear of “a certain tendency to withdraw a little from the Second Vatican Council, by taking traditionalist positions.”

It is difficult to get a clear idea of ​​what the Argentine pontiff meant with so little information. But it is already interesting to note that “to take traditionalist positions” is to “withdraw a little from the Second Vatican Council.”

This confidence, says the cardinal, was given within the larger framework of the training of priests. Thus, the Pope is worried that priestly formation is deviated, distorted, because “traditionalist positions” are taught to seminarians or young religious.

The cardinal also called on the consecrated to actualize the meaning of obedience, away from the abuse of power. We recognize there what the Pope calls the danger of “clericalism,” which can incidentally by his mouth concern not only clerics, but also the laity.

Considering the number of times this danger has been denounced by Francis, either this threat seems important to him or he has a particular abhorrence of it.

It is almost as if the ghost of Gambetta haunts the apostolic palaces. This politician had in fact launched a veritable war against religion, by pronouncing his famous “clericalism, here is the enemy,” on May 4, 1877, in the Chamber of Deputies.

If the abuse of power in the Church still remains to be deplored, denounced, and sanctioned, it should be remembered that “abuse does not remove use,” and that the pope and the bishops must above all encourage the holders of an authority to become holy, the only truly effective means of reducing abuses.

Unfortunately, it is not by tracking Tradition and “traditionalist positions” that this result will be obtained. But by focusing on the integral teaching of the faith, by training holy priests, and by re-establishing moral discipline, both for clerics and for the faithful. This is what all true reform in the Church has done.

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