Skip to main content

The Gullible Theme - Part 6: Follow-Up

Image
By
+
JMJ



According to Google, the series “Examining the Calgary SSPX School Policy” generated a fair number of 'views'.

What is interesting is the distribution of the views. Basically, aside from the 'Gullible and those like him' post, the majority of views were on part 4b – where I dealt directly with the offending texts.

Meaning that a number of the readers are focusing on only 17% of the posts. In fact the majority of readers passed right over part 4a, where I focused on the immediate context of the offensive text.

Some of the responses that Google picked up were over at CathInfo (see bottom of article for texts that I copied on January 10, 2020).
A look at the distribution and comments on CathInfo support my conclusion: People don't have patience to read a thorough analysis of a topic.  They seem to go along with their confirmation bias (see linked article) and look for elements that support their feelings instead of a rational conclusion.

Few read in the conclusion:
Was the mandated inclusion of those phrases in the policy desirable?  Of course not. However, that is not the point. Many things in Canadian Law are not desirable. Is what was required sinful?  The answer is no.
They seem to completely miss the point of the analysis was to assess whether or not the SSPX had an obligation to obey the civil authority. An authority provided by God (if you believe Catholic Teaching).

Of course, no one (including Gullible himself) provided any comments. I suspect this is because his 'resistance' priest probably told him not to bother.

This result has given my some ideas to explore, ideas that I will let percolate until the Easter 2020.

Wishing you a spiritually profitable Lent!

P^3

 

Post Views
Gullible and those like him 99
Gullible Theme: Part 1 45
Gullible Theme: Part 2 26
Gullible Theme: Part 3 36
Gullible Theme: Part 4a 11
Gullible Theme: Part 4b 75
Gullible Theme: Part 5 23
Total 315


CathInfo Comments

Eyeball: SSPX supporting blog implies Calgary school should not have been shut down since the policy was okay. Guess Tradicat is smarter than Fr Couture. Better read his blog before Fr C calls Tradicat and orders the blog to take it down.
Tradical:  Eyeball has clearly missed the point.  The core question was whether or not there was an obligation to obey the civil authority. My conclusion is yes.  Further, if Eyeball had read the entire series, he would have noted that the school has had issues for quite a while.
========================
Matthew: I have saved off the page to PDF form.
Tradical: I wonder if Matthew copied all the posts or just part 4b

========================
thebloodycoven had to following remarks:


How is it possible for a "traditional Catholic" school to tolerate these statements is simply beyond me: i.e. "The students MAY SELECT a respectful and inclusive name for the organization or activity, INCLUDING the name “gay-straight alliance” or “queer-straight alliance”, after consulting with the principal." - page 47,  St. John Bosco Private School Policy Handbook
Tradical:Again, the commentor has missed the point.
What the Rev. Fr. Couture did was right. He halted school operations and will reformat or reorganize the said institution. I wonder why this blogger bothered defending such unCatholic (piarum aurum offensiva) policies?!
Tradical: Because it is used by the 'resistance' as yet another 'proof-text' in a vain effort to show that the SSPX has compromised.  The world is not as simple as the 'resistance' would like to believe.
Also, if what blogger apologist was saying (quoting Fr. Couture's email as shown in Louie Verrecchio's blog that the bad text was taken out) does not necessarily equate or mean that such bad texts were sinful or morally evil, THEN pray tell what made such statements "bad" to begin with?
Tradical: I guess the commenter needs to look at a dictionary for the meaning of the word 'bad'. If Father didn't say 'sinful' then the commenter is leaping to a conclusion.  Perhaps he should email Fr. Couture.
Furthermore, this defence proves too much since why would Father go to such length just to temporarily close down the school, displace the faculty and the students (with their worrying parents) if it is after all compatible with the Catholic principles of education?! Why not simply defend it? Again, are those statements so "bad" it merited to shutdown operations? But it is not "intrinsically evil according to the blogger. Is the blogger better than Bishop Fellay and Fr. Couture who made the call?
Tradical: Again he missed the point. 
I may disagree with the SSPX on many things but reading the policy, I totally agree with the then Superior Genral and the Canadian District Superior to remove the said statements and reorganize the school since what's at stake is the reputation of good Catholics, further damage to the Church through scandal, and the salvation of all those involved. 
Tradical: I guess the commenter doesn't really understand the Catholic meaning of the word scandal. Something that is merely offensive to the ears is not a scandal.
========================
kasimierez: I wonder if that school will get off the ground again in the fall of 2020. Right now there are only two priests residing at said priory. The decision not to have more priests there has all but killed off the mission wherein I attended prior to severe illness/surgery. I would be content enough with just a valid priest. If it is one thing I am immune towards it is the neosspx and its wiley ways.
 Tradical: My information is that the school is presently operating as a homeschool co-op.  I do not know if they will reopen totally independent of the Government.   As mentioned the budget was quite large and the funding made up a large portion of it.

 Also, if your mission is populated by a large number of 'resistors' then they / you may have poisoned the well of your own accord.
Labels:

Comments

Post a Comment

Popular posts from this blog

Comparision of the Tridentine, Cranmer and Novus Ordo Masses

By
+ JMJ I downloaded the comparison that was linked in the previous article on the mass (here) . ... a very good reference! P^3 From: Whispers of Restoration (available at this link) . CHARTING LITURGICAL CHANGE Comparing the 1962 Ordinary of the Roman Mass to changes made during the Anglican Schism; Compared in turn to changes adopted in the creation of Pope Paul VI’s Mass in 1969 The chart on the reverse is a concise comparison of certain ritual differences between three historical rites for the celebration of the Catholic Mass Vetus Ordo: “Old Order,” the Roman Rite of Mass as contained in the 1962 Missal, often referred to as the “Traditional Latin Mass.”The Ordinary of this Mass is that of Pope St. Pius V (1570) following the Council of Trent (1545-63), hence the occasional moniker “Tridentine Mass.” However, Trent only consolidated and codified the Roman Rite already in use at that time; its essential form dates to Pope St. Gregory the Great (+604), in whose time the R...
Post a Comment
Read more

SSPX and the Resistance - A Comparison Of Ecclesiology

By
Shining the light of Church Teaching on the doctrinal positions of the SSPX and the Resistance. Principles are guides used to aid in decision making.  It stands to reason that bad principles will lead to bad decisions. The recent interactions between Rome and the SSPX has challenged a number of closely held cultural assumptions of people in both sides of the disagreement. This has resulted in cultural skirmishes in both Rome and the SSPX. Since it is the smaller of the two, the skirmishes have been more evident within the SSPX.  The cultural fault-line that Bishop Fellay crossed appears to be linked to two points of Catholic Doctrine: Ecclesiology and Obedience.  The cultural difference of view points is strong enough that it has resulted in the expulsion of a number of members.  It should also be noted that some other priests expelled since the beginning of the latest interactions (starting in 2000) held the same view points and have joined with the l...
8 comments
Read more

If Pope Francis is bad - what about Pope St. John Paul II et al?

By
+ JMJ So here we are on the apparent cusp of yet another post conciliar Papal canonization. This time we have Pope's John-Paul I and Paul VI canonizations to 'look forward' to. This follows, obviously, on the heels of Pope St. John Paul II's canonization? So the first question that I usually encounter is: How is it possible, keeping in mind the doctrine on infallibility of canonizations (note doctrine not dogma), that Pope St. John Paul II is a Saint? First, what does it mean???  According to the doctrine of dogmatic facts - it is the universal opinion of Theologians that canonizations are infallible.  It means that they enjoy the beatific vision.  ... that's it.  That is the doctrine and it is at the level of universal opinion of theologians.  It is called a 'dogmatic fact'. That they made mistakes is obvious.  That the miracles seem to not be very miraculous is also a bit of an issue. Here's something to consider: The rush that surrou...
16 comments
Read more

Spiritual Journey Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre - Extracts

By
+ JMJ I have posted these two chapters to provide context for the quote of: It is, therefore, a strict duty for every priest wanting to remain Catholic to separate himself from this Conciliar Church for as long as it does not rediscover the Tradition of the Church and of the Catholic Faith. P^3 Courtesy of SSPX.ca Chapter II The Perfections of God We ought to remember during this entire contemplation of God that we must apply all that is said of God to Our Lord Jesus Christ, Who is God. We cannot separate Jesus Christ from God. We cannot separate the Christian religion from Jesus Christ, Who is God, and we must affirm and believe that only the Catholic religion is the Christian religion. These affirmations have, as a result, inescapable conclusions that no ecclesiastic authority can contest: outside of Jesus Christ and the Catholic religion, that is, outsi...
Post a Comment
Read more

Dogmas of the Catholic Faith (de fide) - Expanded Listing: Answer for Reader

By
 + JMJ  A reader asked the following question in the 2015 version of the article on the Dogmas of the Catholic Faith (link) : 117: "In the state of fallen nature it is morally impossible for man without Supernatural Revelation, to know easily, with absolute certainty and without admixture of error, all religious and moral truths of the natural order." Where can you find this in the documents of the Church? ( Link to comment )  Here's the reference from Ott: The citation that Ott provided was Denzinger 1786 and the source document is Dogmatic Consitution Concerning the Faith from the First Vatican Council (Papal Encyclicals - link) : Chapter 2 On Revelation, Article 3: It is indeed thanks to this divine revelation , that those matters concerning God, which are not of themselves beyond the scope of human reason, can, even in the present state of the human race, be known by everyone, without difficulty, with firm certitude and with no intermingling of error. Here's ...
Post a Comment
Read more