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JMJ

What appears to be a resistance article has been posted citing an article written in 2003 by Father Pfluger.

I would like to highlight a key point that the author appears to have missed (see quoted paragraph below my sig).

A premature accord (canonical regularization) is one that doesn't address the issues / causes of the crisis. What is the simplest expression of the causes of the crisis? The mantra.

Simply speaking, if the Pope were to issue an order for the SSPX to accept a canonical solution that truly 'accepted us as we are ", then is it not a purely practical agreement.

This would be a doctrinal agreement that the SSPX can hold its positions on the Second Vatican Council and the New Mass ... and be canonically regular.

That is the key point that the 'resistance' misses in its narrow perspective.

If Rome agrees to the 'accept us as we are' proposition, they have made a doctrinal agreement (a huge compromise).

So where are we in the year 2018?

The same place we were in 2000. Rome repeats the mantra and the SSPX says, non merci!

Something for the 'resistance' to ponder.

P^3

Source: La Porte Latine

Un accord prématuré, soit une union seulement pratique avec Rome, sans faire intervenir les causes qui sont à l'origine de la crise de la foi, ne serait pas seulement dangereux mais faux. A combien de groupes et de communautés la hiérarchie officielle n'a-t-elle pas fait de promesses, et tous ont dû déchanter, et finir par accepter la nouvelle messe, accepter le concile Vatican II dans son ensemble, et même justifier "l'esprit d'Assise" ?

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A Look Back: A short history of the SSPX

+ JMJ I started a timeline a while back but never finished it. Fortunately, here's one that brings us up to 1994!!! P^3 http://archives.sspx.org/SSPX_FAQs/a_short_history_of_the_sspx-part-1.htm A short history of the SSPX A presentation given by Fr. Ramon Angles in Kansas City, MO, on the 25th Anniversary of the founding of the SSPX and reprinted from the January 1996 issue of The Angelus . Part 1 The history of the Society of St. Pius X begins, of course, in the mind of God. But do not believe that its temporal origin is to be found solely at the time of the post-conciliar crisis. The Society of St. Pius X was made possible ...

Hermeneutic of the Hermeneutic of Continuity - sspx.org

+ JMJ Since I'm looking at the 'four things', I thought this article would be good. Unfortunately, with the new SSPX.org website, I've been unable to locate the original article. This is a copy the I emailed to myself. This is an article that, I believe, was written in response to a conference given by Msgr. Pozzo. P^3

SSPX and the Resistance - A Comparison Of Ecclesiology

Shining the light of Church Teaching on the doctrinal positions of the SSPX and the Resistance. Principles are guides used to aid in decision making. It stands to reason that bad principles will lead to bad decisions. The recent interactions between Rome and the SSPX has challenged a number of closely held cultural assumptions of people in both sides of the disagreement. This has resulted in cultural skirmishes in both Rome and the SSPX. Since it is the smaller of the two, the skirmishes have been more evident within the SSPX. The cultural fault-line that Bishop Fellay crossed appears to be linked to two points of Catholic Doctrine: Ecclesiology and Obedience. The cultural difference of view points is strong enough that it has resulted in the expulsion of a number of members. It should also be noted that some other priests expelled since the beginning of the latest interactions (starting in 2000) held the same view points and have joined with the l...

Morning and Evening and other sundry Prayers

+ JMJ Along the theme of P^3 (Prayer, Penance, Patience), and for my own reference ... here is a collection of Morning and Evening prayers from the Ideal Daily Missal along with some additional prayers. In this crisis of the Church, I do not think it is possible to do too much prayer, penance and have patience. P^3

Dogmas of the Catholic Faith (de fide) - Expanded Listing: Answer for Reader

+ JMJ A reader asked the following question in the 2015 version of the article on the Dogmas of the Catholic Faith (link) : 117: "In the state of fallen nature it is morally impossible for man without Supernatural Revelation, to know easily, with absolute certainty and without admixture of error, all religious and moral truths of the natural order." Where can you find this in the documents of the Church? ( Link to comment ) Here's the reference from Ott: The citation that Ott provided was Denzinger 1786 and the source document is Dogmatic Consitution Concerning the Faith from the First Vatican Council (Papal Encyclicals - link) : Chapter 2 On Revelation, Article 3: It is indeed thanks to this divine revelation , that those matters concerning God, which are not of themselves beyond the scope of human reason, can, even in the present state of the human race, be known by everyone, without difficulty, with firm certitude and with no intermingling of error. Here's ...

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