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JMJ

What appears to be a resistance article has been posted citing an article written in 2003 by Father Pfluger.

I would like to highlight a key point that the author appears to have missed (see quoted paragraph below my sig).

A premature accord (canonical regularization) is one that doesn't address the issues / causes of the crisis. What is the simplest expression of the causes of the crisis? The mantra.

Simply speaking, if the Pope were to issue an order for the SSPX to accept a canonical solution that truly 'accepted us as we are ", then is it not a purely practical agreement.

This would be a doctrinal agreement that the SSPX can hold its positions on the Second Vatican Council and the New Mass ... and be canonically regular.

That is the key point that the 'resistance' misses in its narrow perspective.

If Rome agrees to the 'accept us as we are' proposition, they have made a doctrinal agreement (a huge compromise).

So where are we in the year 2018?

The same place we were in 2000. Rome repeats the mantra and the SSPX says, non merci!

Something for the 'resistance' to ponder.

P^3

Source: La Porte Latine

Un accord prématuré, soit une union seulement pratique avec Rome, sans faire intervenir les causes qui sont à l'origine de la crise de la foi, ne serait pas seulement dangereux mais faux. A combien de groupes et de communautés la hiérarchie officielle n'a-t-elle pas fait de promesses, et tous ont dû déchanter, et finir par accepter la nouvelle messe, accepter le concile Vatican II dans son ensemble, et même justifier "l'esprit d'Assise" ?

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Facts and Opinions - An Explanation

+ JMJ When a person's assumptions are events outside of their control they form an opinion and, in my experience, assert this opinion to be fact. So ... it is important to define some terms:

The Curious Case of Steve Skojec and the Dangers of Deep Diving into the Crisis Sub-Titled: The Failings of Others

+ JMJ It's been a while now since Steve Skojec sold 1P5 and abandoned the Catholic Faith. I've been a 'Trad' since 1982 and in those 40+ years I seen this death-spiral before with a similar end point. It seems that anyone who jumps into the fray unprepared for the enormous task of righting wrongs will, eventually, become discouraged by not the task but the people who surround them. I remember when Skojec complained of the treatment his family received from a traditional priest. This seems to have been the start of the end for him. So what can we learn from the likes of Steve Skojec, Michael Voris (maybe?), Louie Verrecchio, Gerry Matatix and other celebrity Catholics? Probably quite a lot about what not to do. First, don't burn out on the crisis? When you burn out, on work or anything else, little things assume a more greater importance than they are due. This is one of my 'canary in the coal mine' signals that I've been stretching myself too thin

Morning and Evening and other sundry Prayers

+ JMJ Along the theme of P^3 (Prayer, Penance, Patience), and for my own reference ... here is a collection of Morning and Evening prayers from the Ideal Daily Missal along with some additional prayers. In this crisis of the Church, I do not think it is possible to do too much prayer, penance and have patience. P^3

What the heck is a congregation of "Pontifical Right"

+ JMJ In a discussion with a friend the question occurred to me that I didn't actually know was is involved in being a religious order of 'pontifical right'. I had a vague notion that this meant they reported to Rome as opposed to the local diocese. I'm also aware that, according to the accounts I have heard, the Archbishop received 'praise' and the written direction to incardinate priests directly into the SSPX. This is interesting because it implies that the SSPX priests were no longer required to incardinate in the local diocese but in the SSPX. This is something that belongs to an order of 'pontifical right'. Anyway here's some definitions: Di diritto pontificio is the Italian term for “of pontifical right” . It is given to the ecclesiastical institutions (the religious and secular institutes, societies of apostolic life) either created by the Holy See or approved by it with the formal decree, known by its Latin name, Decretu

Comparision of the Tridentine, Cranmer and Novus Ordo Masses

+ JMJ I downloaded the comparison that was linked in the previous article on the mass (here) . ... a very good reference! P^3 From: Whispers of Restoration (available at this link) . CHARTING LITURGICAL CHANGE Comparing the 1962 Ordinary of the Roman Mass to changes made during the Anglican Schism; Compared in turn to changes adopted in the creation of Pope Paul VI’s Mass in 1969 The chart on the reverse is a concise comparison of certain ritual differences between three historical rites for the celebration of the Catholic Mass Vetus Ordo: “Old Order,” the Roman Rite of Mass as contained in the 1962 Missal, often referred to as the “Traditional Latin Mass.”The Ordinary of this Mass is that of Pope St. Pius V (1570) following the Council of Trent (1545-63), hence the occasional moniker “Tridentine Mass.” However, Trent only consolidated and codified the Roman Rite already in use at that time; its essential form dates to Pope St. Gregory the Great (+604), in whose time the R

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