Another Concession by Rome

JMJ

Bishop de Galarreta ordains a priest for the Chaldean right and Rome said that the SSPX can proceed with ordinations even without the local ordinaries permission (see red section below).

This appears to be another concession by Rome - along the lines of accepting the SSPX as they are - ordinations outside of the normal structures of the Church.

As the centenary of Fatima approaches, these are indeed interesting times!

P^3

« Ceux qui veulent vivre pieusement dans le Christ Jésus souffriront persécution ».
Et alors certains, évidemment, disent que nous avons tort et que nous sommes des schismatiques, que nous sommes des illégaux dans l’Eglise, et déjà, cher Abbé vous avez eu un peu à rentrer, comme un bon soldat du Christ, dans les combats de Dieu. Donc vous avez dû donc souffrir cette persécution dont nous parle saint Paul : « Ceux qui veulent vivre pieusement dans le Christ Jésus souffriront persécution ».
Et alors le Patriarche de Babylone, qui est chaldéen, dit que nous sommes schismatiques. Et l’Ordinaire en France pour les Eglises orientales dit que nous sommes des illégaux. Or le Pape lui-même dit que la Fraternité, nous sommes des catholiques. Alors nous sommes des catholiques ou nous sommes des schismatiques ? J’ai avec moi la lettre qui m’a été donnée par Son Excellence Monseigneur Fellay, où la Congrégation de la doctrine de la Foi nous dit, a dit à Monseigneur, que nous pouvons procéder aux ordinations sans demander la permission des Ordinaires du lieu ; qu’il suffit de leur donner les noms des ordonnés, chose que nous ferons bien sûr, opportunément. Alors nous ne sommes ni schismatiques, ni des illégaux.
Alors pourquoi agitent-ils cet épouvantail, vous voyez de la légalité, si nous sommes en règle canoniquement ou pas, du schisme alors qu’il n’y en a pas et que Rome même le reconnaît ? Et bien parce que ce qui nous sépare c’est la doctrine, c’est la Foi, c’est la rupture avec la Tradition. Or ils ne veulent pas assumer que le problème est là. Car ils savent bien que là ils ont tort. Ils ne pourront jamais, même s’ils arrivent pour ainsi dire à tout coiffer, ils ne pourront jamais arriver à détruire la Foi, ni la Tradition, ni l’Eglise. ( http://laportelatine.org/mediatheque/sermonsecrits/galarreta_160702_st_nicolas_sabur/galarreta_160702_st_nicolas_sabur.php )

Comments

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