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JMJ
While following the comings and goings in the blogosphere (ie following the blogs that I link - but abstaining from commenting), I came across a couple of articles that I believe require some commentary - but not because of the contents but the references.
I was reading the Remnant's latest online article and noticed the following reference:
Eternal damnation remains a possibility, but we are not granted, without special divine revelation, the knowledge of whether or which human beings are effectively involved in it.I found the same reference in another article in reply to the 'radtrad' accusations by various online personalities.
I have read this particular phrase many times, linked with the assertion that Pope John Paul II believed in Universal Salvation.
Today I decided to follow the reference to explore the context. That was when I discovered that the online version of the text did not agree with that quoted above.
Instead it read:
Damnation remains a real possibility, but it is not granted to us, without special divine revelation, to know which human beings are effectively involved in it.Needless to say, I was stunned that the Remnant could have made such an error.
As I dug further (google was invaluable) I discovered that there are two versions of the text of the 28 July 1999 audience on the Vatican website. One that is accessed via the main vatican.va website by navigating to the audiences of Bl. Pope John Paul II.The other which appears in some searches with the correct keywords.
It is the latter version that agrees with the quotations provided by the 'radtrads' of the Remnant, SSPX etc.
Version 1
Eternal damnation remains a real possibility, but we are not granted, without special divine revelation, the knowledge of whether or which human beings are effectively involved in it.
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/audiences/documents/hf_jp-ii_aud_28071999_en.html
La dannazione rimane una reale possibilità, ma non ci è dato di conoscere, senza speciale rivelazione divina, se e quali esseri umani vi siano effettivamente coinvolti.
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/audiences/documents/hf_jp-ii_aud_28071999_it.htm
Version 2
Damnation remains a real possibility, but it is not granted to us, without special divine revelation, to know which human beings are effectively involved in it.
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/audiences/1999/documents/hf_jp-ii_aud_28071999_en.html
La dannazione rimane una reale possibilità, ma non ci è dato di conoscere, senza speciale rivelazione divina, quali esseri umani vi siano effettivamente coinvolti.
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/audiences/1999/documents/hf_jp-ii_aud_28071999_it.html
When I noticed the difference, I was reminded that history is written by the victor.
I am confident that the conspiracy minded will launch into orbit over this 'discovery' drawing conclusions that are not supported by the evidence.
What we do know is that there is a difference between the two translations.
The question that needs to be answered is whether or not it is merely a correction to bring the words into line with what Pope John Paul II actually said, or is it an attempt to scrub something from his record.
There is no point in arguing the issue. All that is required is to produce a recording of the audience, which I assume was given in Italian, and verify the actual words.
Perhaps someone will be able to do such a service in the near future.
Wishing you a Holy and Happy Lent!
Tradical
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There is a revelation by the 2nd Secret of Fatima, and revelation of a dozen Saints of the Church including St Thomas Aquinas, both point to the fewness who are Saved and a LAKE of FIRE, What also is disturbing is the informed opinion of Cannon Gregory Hesse's critique on you tube, and he is not alone, on Vatican 2 and Pope Paul's new mass, an absolute must read for all Catholics and for the protestants how crazy is it to reject the Church Christ established for your Salvation and call you self one of His followers ie a Christian !!!???
ReplyDeleteI have been pondering whether or not to publish this comment for a few days.
ReplyDeleteThis author has missed a number of points and having reviewed his blog is mistaken about a number of items concerning Catholicism etc.
One of the key points that he is missing in the above listing is John 6:51-59 (http://newadvent.org/bible/joh006.htm)
51 I myself am the living bread that has come down from heaven. 52 If anyone eats of this bread, he shall live for ever. And now, what is this bread which I am to give? It is my flesh, given for the life of the world.