Blue on Blue Engagement

Blue on Blue Engagement - Update

The 'FAQ' posting by Church Militant.TV is proceeding through its lifecycle of posting, comment, comment, comment, comment ...

Some comments etc can be found here, here, here and ... here.

Below are my personal thoughts.

Update: Louie Verricchio has just posted confirmation that the 'FAQ' posting was the work of Mr. Voris and posted his own video commentary.

So we have a Blue-On-Blue engagement.

In the final analysis are the people that he accuses laughing at the Pope or crying?

The actions of the Pope are not private, but very, very public.

As such they have significant consequences that touch souls across the world.

When the shepherd is struck the sheep scatter.

P^3
Prayer
Penance
Patience

This appears to be a Blue on Blue engagement (people on the same side attacking each other because they believe the otherside to be the enemy).

It makes me wonder if CMTV knows who they are shooting at (SSPX) and why they are in the present state of canonical irregularity. Of course, I have no difficulty with them calling the CMRI sedevacantists - as that is their theological position.

I have a strong suspicion that the author of the screed is suffering from recency effect over the SSPX's adherence to its principles.

This brings us to the ultimate reason for the SSPX being in its current situation.

It refused to accept without reservation the teachings of the Second Vatican Council and the reforms that emanated from it because this would result in at least an implicit denial of pre-conciliar teachings.

The criticism of the Remnant and Catholic News is equally puzzling.

Why?

Because these they are not ignoring the obvious root of the problem. They are reacting to something and frankly their assessment is in my opinion less scandalous than the actions that they are commenting upon.

I am happy to note that, instead of engaging in a blue-on-blue attack, the SSPX made a calm reply .

Frankly, until the Pope changes the culture of the Church back to what it should be (a multi year proposition if done nicely) the SSPX will always be shunned.

When the Pope does, then I suppose all Catholics will be shunned by the world.

Perhaps that wouldn’t be such a bad thing.

P^3
Prayer
Penance
Patience

Attached below (for my own reference) at my comments on one of the blogs.

From my perspective, as a supporter of the SSPX, it comes down to a conundrum of either obeying the magisterium of the pre-conciliar Pope as understood by the Church up to that time, or obeying the magisterium of the post-conciliar Popes including where they have deviated from the magisterium of their predecessors.

This is not a choice that any Catholic should have to make.

It is not that the SSPX is making up their own mind of the magisterium, their understanding of the pre-conciliar magisterium is based and consistent with how the Church understood the pertinent doctrines prior to the Council. They are being asked to accept without reservation the documents of the Second Vatican Council and the elements that have grown out of it – in particular the Novus Ordo Missae etc.

To accept this is, from their perspective, the equivalent of denying the pre-conciliar magisterium.

http://tradicat.blogspot.ca/2012/08/a-theologians-questions-john-rt-lamont.html

Concerning some of the statements made, particularly about the Novus Ordo Missae being evil. It is important to understand how the term evil is used. The definition used by the SSPX is the absence of a due good. The Novus Ordo Missae has been stripped of many if not all the elements that profess by action and word the truths of the Catholic Faith. As Cardinal Ottaviani stated, they have removed the barriers to heresy.

Concerning the accusation of schism. This is an old and very redundant accusation, to which I would ask when did the schismatic act occur? Was it the consecrations? That doesn’t follow because the mere consecration without papal mandate is not a schismatic act (check out the code of canon law). Was it for saying, sorry we can’t compromise on these points? Nope.

So, as a Catholic, I would ask you to weigh your words and thoughts carefully before you accuse other Catholics of the sin of schism. You may be just repeating what you’ve heard, but I’m afraid you’ve been ill informed.

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Tradicat

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