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Bishop Schneider and 'Restore DC Catholicism'

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I was going through the thread on Restore DC Catholicism and found the reference to bishop schneider:
Looks like Bishop Athanasius Schneider will have to join that SSPX priest in going to confession - he says essentially the same thing in the Life Site video below, even acknowledging a valid consecration:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azhqg4nUVqs&t=239s Time mark 35:40

Non-Trad "Conservatives" always seem to reserve their fire for the SSPX, as if they are the "real problem" in the Church today...

The blogger's response was: Whatever, it was regrettable.

Frankly, the blogger's response is regrettable. 

First, they continue to mislabel the alleged offense as being against the Third Commandment of the Decalogue, when it is the first precept of the Catholic Church.  This is actually an important distinction because there are a number of ways in which one can keep holy the sabbath. 

Second, instead of answering the questions the blogger simply dis-engaged and locked the thread. 

Granted, I don't have dozens of commenters it seemed to be a good discussion. For the blogger I think it was a missed opportunity to assess a perspective that is outside of their own and engage in a meaningful discussion.

In any case it does provide some insight to the barriers created by ignorance of Church Teaching to helping the Church emerge from this crisis.


Here's the video starting at 34 minutes.

Transcript from 35m40s

Interviewer: Catholics who are in places where they have no access to the Latin Mass and all of their priests are basically modernists who support various heresies. What should they do? I mean so many people can't go anywhere for a good liturgy, how can they keep the Faith when they feel like they're in the middle of the desert with absolutely nothing.

Bishop Schneider: I think that these families should cultivate their Catholic Faith in the family. Reading the good old catechisms, the good beautiful explanations about the meaning of the Holy Mass, and I would say even not to participate in such masses where there are abuses or the Mass is celebrated more in a protestant free-style. Then is only the name still Catholic remains, maybe the consecration is still valid but I would not participate in such Masses even when there is the consecration valid and the communion I could receive validly I would not participate in such Holy Masses in such liturgies where are occurring abuses or where is there an evident Protestant freestyle or too much Charismatic Pentecostal styles of celebrating the liturgies this is not worth before to God and I would prefer, my own decision, I would prefer to travel long distances to good merciful celebrated Holy Masses than to participate even when I have to make long distances or even when I could not participate every Sunday because i cannot be forced  against my conscience to be violate to participate in Catholic Masses where is more similar to Pentecostal services. ...
There's more but I think we have the key elements.

P^3



Here's what Lifesite tagged on to the description for this video:

November 4, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – Bishop Athanasius Schneider, the auxiliary bishop of Astana, Kazakhstan, has granted LifeSiteNews a lengthy video interview about the Amazon Synod and the state of the Catholic Church. Bishop Schneider is one of the most outspoken defenders of Catholic orthodoxy in the world. It was Bishop Schneider who, along with Cardinal Raymond Burke and other prelates, issued in June 2019 the “Declaration of Truths” to correct the rampant “doctrinal confusion” in the Church. Bishop Schneider has been at the forefront of defending the Catholic faith amidst the accelerating crisis in the Church during which bishops, cardinals, and even the Pope have either openly flouted or at least muddied Catholic teaching on a host of moral issues.


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Edison FrisbeeDecember 22, 2019 at 9:39 PM
Looks like Bishop Athanasius Schneider will have to join that SSPX priest in going to confession - he says essentially the same thing in the Life Site video below, even acknowledging a valid consecration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azhqg4nUVqs&t=239s Time mark 35:40

Non-Trad "Conservatives" always seem to reserve their fire for the SSPX, as if they are the "real problem" in the Church today...
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  1. Restore-DC-CatholicismDecember 22, 2019 at 11:39 PM
    Thank you for reposting this.
  2. Restore-DC-CatholicismDecember 23, 2019 at 6:02 PM
    I listened to the clip, and also a little bit before and after. He is speaking of modernist priests and liturgical abuses. He suggests traveling to a decent Mass. I have heard of people traveling 2 hours each way to Mass. God bless them for their fidelity. I must say that I did hear the hint of skipping Mass in his talk. I respectfully disagree with him on that point.
  3. Edison FrisbeeDecember 23, 2019 at 9:04 PM
    Let's be honest, it was more than a "hint'....
  4. Restore-DC-CatholicismDecember 23, 2019 at 9:28 PM
    Whatever, it was regrettable.
  5. Edison FrisbeeDecember 24, 2019 at 9:10 AM
    Hopefully you can now acknowledge the double standard you are applying....the SSPX merits a full tirade for "advocating mortal sin".....Bishop Schneider says essentially the same thing and you say it's "regrettable" and you "respectfully disagree."
    Why such animus towards the SSPX?
  6. Restore-DC-CatholicismDecember 24, 2019 at 12:34 PM
    I have no animus against SSPX. They do, however, appear to make a habit of advocating disdain for NO Masses to the point of telling people to skip Mass on Sundays. I am hoping that the archbishop's gaffe was merely a momentary lapse and hope that I am not disappointed. Even with the SSPX, I hope that the council to break the Third Commandment is not emblematic of all of them, but am wary since that council is on their website.
  7. UnknownDecember 24, 2019 at 9:17 PM
    Why shouldn't the SSPX have disdain for the NO? Look at its fruit. Somewhere in the range of 70 % of self-identified Catholics do not believe in the Real Presence. Lex orandi, lex credendi. That statistic alone should tell us that the NO is spiritual poison.
  8. Restore-DC-CatholicismDecember 25, 2019 at 10:12 AM
    Because the SSPX is not the final arbiter for what fulfills the Sunday obligation. The notion that one can skip Mass simply because there is no TLM available is the real spiritual poison.





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