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Is Our Lord Jesus Christ God?

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JMJ

This is definitely one for the chronicle:

Francis to Favorite Journalist: "Jesus was not at all a God."

First, the actual declarations, as reported by Francis' favorite journalist, Eugenio Scalfari, published in today's edition of La Repubblica (available online since yesterday):
"Those who, as it has happened many times with me, have had the luck of meeting him and speaking to him with the greatest cultural intimacy, know that pope Francis conceives Christ as Jesus of Nazareth, man, not God incarnate. Once incarnate, Jesus stops being a God and becomes a man until his death on the cross.
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"When I had the chance of discussing these sentences, pope Francis told me: 'They are the proven proof that Jesus of Nazareth, once having become a man, was, though a man of exceptional virtues, not at all a God.'"
(Main excerpts: the original page is behind a paywall)

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Now, obviously, as it has often happened with Francis' informal interviews with Eugenio Scalfari, some will try to deny the veracity of what Scalfari, a seasoned journalist, affirms. 
Let us just recall, for the record of events, that there is no reason to doubt its general accuracy. We are way past the time of doubting the general accuracy of the Scalfari quotes. 
Not now, that the papal interviews to Scalfari have been published on the Vatican website, that they have been occasionally published by the Vatican publishing house (LEV) itself - for instance, as part of the book to the right.Courtesy of Rorate-Caeli

Other references
Edward Pentin
Mahounds Paradise
Vox Cantoris

I've seen some commentators say the the 'Catechism of the Catholic Church' states this or that.

Let's get past the inaccurate thought that the Bible or the Catechism states anything.  These works contain truths of the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church Teaches authoritatively that Jesus of Nazareth IS God.

Not was, will be or any such obfuscation.

Our Lord Jesus Christ Is True God and True Son of God

See the link for a list and get a copy of Otts book to study the truth.

Does this mean that Pope Francis is no longer Pope?  Not be a long shot. First this is 'hearsay'  - meaning we have Scalfari's word.  Nothing directly from Pope Francis.  Next if he did say it explicitly, he would have to be admonished.

This is going to be interesting - pray that you stand-fast with the Catholic Truth as taught by the Catholic Church - not as you dream it to be!

P^3

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