Skip to main content

Sedevacantism Kill Chain - True of False Pope

+
JMJ

This is my second article for True or False Pope.  In my design career jumping to a conclusion has bitten me a number of times.  This is why one of the key elements in project management and design engineering is listing your assumptions.  The project plan then needs to incorporate a way to validate those assumptions before it is too late.

Sedevacantists have made this same mistake time and time again.  They are scandalized (rightly so!) be all the shenanigans of the Popes, assume that this can't be so, and jump to the conclusion that the current reigning Pontiff cannot possibly be the Vicar of Christ.

If the sedevacantists accept the doctrine of the Church, then following the doctrine of dogmatic facts they would have to admit that we haven't had a sedevacante since the death of Pius XII (or whatever Pope they hold to be last validly elected).

I hope this article helps!

Keep the Faith!

P^3



Sedevacantism Kill Chain


A kill chain lists the critical links of an attack; if any 'link' in the chain is broken, the attack fails.

The kill chain for 'sedevacantism' is no different as it describes a chain of events (causes) that must have occurred in order to rationally and objectively conclude that a specific Pope was either invalidly elected or has been deprived of the office of the Vicar of Christ (effect). Without an unbroken chain of causes, the conclusion of Sede Vacante is dangerous speculation.


Illustration 1: Sedevacantism Kill Chain

One common sedevacantist fallacy is to ignore the Kill Chain completely by placing the effect before the cause. Typically it manifests itself as a strong belief concerning the documents of the Second Vatican Council as being formally heretical. Therefore the sedevacantist concludes that the Popes who convened / closed the Council (John XXIII, Paul VI), and accepted it (John Paul I, John Paul II, Benedict XVI, Francis) could not possibly be valid Vicars of Christ. When they encounter a Church Doctrine that contradicts their belief, they re-imagine it to suit their belief instead of submitting to Church Doctrine and admitting that their understanding is flawed.




The doctrine that the sedevacantists re-imagine is the doctrine of Dogmatic Facts.

According to Dr. Ludwig Ott, dogmatic facts are historical facts, that while not revealed are “intrinsically connected with revealed truth, for example the legality of a Pope or a General Council”. In short, there is no confusion about the legitimacy of a the election of a specific Vicar of Christ as the Church has provided us with an infallible means of “knowing”who was validly elected.

The following diagram outlines four commentaries on the manner of how the infallible dogmatic fact of the legitimacy of a Pontiff's election is established.


Following the reasoning of Hunter and Van Noort, all that is required is to establish infallibly that a Pope's election was valid was the acceptance by the Bishops in union with Rome. Van Noort's explanation is further linked to the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium, which is likewise infallible.

St. Alphonsus and Billot include with the acceptance of the Bishops (Ecclesia Docens) that of the other members of the Church, presumably including the laity (Ecclesia Discens).

The sedevacantists that I have debated ignore Hunter, Van Noort and St. Alphonsus and exclude portions of Billot's thesis by focusing on the section highlighted in Green. The claim made is that no Catholics hold the post conciliar Popes as 'rules of faith' therefore they aren't Pope.

One thing is certain, that there was no question of the legitimacy of the election of Pope John XXIII and Paul VI at the time of their election. They were accepted completely by even those who would later assert that the See of Peter was vacant.

With respect to the successors of Pope Paul VI, we can also have equal certainty as firstly all subsequent Pontiffs have been universally accepted by the Bishops of the Catholic Church (Hunter and Van Noort). We can also have moral certainty following St. Alphonsus and Billot as there existed a morally unanimous acceptance of the successors of Pope Paul VI as validly elected Popes by the Faithful as well as the Bishops.

In the name of intellectual honest, sedevacantists need to either accept or reject the Doctrine of Dogmatic Facts instead of re-imagining it to suit their beliefs. Otherwise, they are simply imitating the modernists whom they profess to expose.

P3
Tradical



Comments

Popular posts from this blog

"Father, Should I Attend That Mass?" Advice on Attending Non-SSPX Latin Masses

 + JMJ I see that the 'resistors' are in a tizzy because Fr. Robinson used them as an example instead of the sedevacantists. What is interesting is that you can apply the exact same reasons against going to a sede mass as that of the 'resistors'. Namely: On the other extreme are those situations where an SSPX priest knows that a certain non-SSPX traditionalist venue is a grave danger to the faith . Frankly, most, if not all, of the Resistance Masses would fall into this category. In many cases, the behavior of these priests has been and continues to be scandalous, by their (A) spirit, their (B) preaching, and their indiscriminate conferral of the (C) priesthood and (D) episcopacy. To attend a Mass with such ongoing scandals poses a serious danger to the souls of the faithful. Yep, looking at A,B,C and D the shoe fits. On this basis the "resistors" = "sedevacantists". P^3 Courtesy of SSPX.org   A companion article to a recent "Questions with ...

Correcting Caricatures of the SSPX

 + JMJ Introduction First, a little background on the FSSP St. John Vianney Chapel in Mission Hill Kansas.  After the 1988 consecrations and the foundation of the FSSP there was a consistent trend of Dioceses allowing the SSPX to run chapels and churches near SSPX locations. As with any 'organizational change' there were those who didn't agree with the change and no longer sought the sacraments from the SSPX. I heard from friends that in that era there was a lot of anger and tension (on both sides) between the St. Mary's SSPX and Mission Hill FSSP.  Second, there have been caricatures of the SSPX position (some are evident below) in which personal opinions of SSPX priests and laity are taken as the official position or conflated with those of sedevacantists or 'resistance'. Recent Perspectives of the SSPX Position In the shadow of the consecrations a fever pitch accusations and opinions how surfaced - many of which include caricatures of the SSPX positions, of w...

SSPX: Why Is the SSPX So Criticized?

 + JMJ As long as you are ok with what happens in other Catholic Churches, Traditional Catholics will be left 'alone'.  This is a paraphrase of words spoken by an Archbishop to Traditional Catholics (with a sprinkling of SSPX) who had requested the Traditional Latin Mass under Summorum Pontificum. This reflects that attitude of the Church towards anyone who takes issue with some of the ambiguities of Vatican II and the post-conciliar magisterium.  If you reject the papacy but are ok with V2, the New Mass, and what Rome has stated since 1965 - then you are welcome. Question some of the more abiguous statements and ask for Rome to realise that a circle is not a square - then you are in for a world of hurt. This is where the SSPX exists and has existed from almost its very first moments. Pointing out contradictions with previous magisterium is not acceptable - under any condition. Why? Because it will cause the whole V2 house of cards to fall. I guess only when the contradic...

Stories: Early Days of Tradition Part 8 - Convention Centre Chapel

 + JMJ I came to Tradition a few years after they had bought a chapel. My wife told me of the earlier years when Fr. Normandin would come to town and Mass would be held in a room at the convention centre.  He'd start by blessing the room and then proceed with Mass. This went on for a while before the one of the faithful found a small hall that would suit just fine. They pooled their money and bought the building.  Then came the work as the retiree's refinished the floor, setup the sactuary. Oh, did I mention that I heard that the hall had been used by a motorcycle gang? The floor needed a lot of work.  I remember seeing pictures of the founders working to make the hall into a fitting place for the Sacrifice of the Mass. That little chapel would be a refuge like many others serviced by Fr. Normandin.  From Thunderbay, Ontrario to Nanaimo, British Columbia - the SSPX chapels are all the results of Fr. Normandin's missionary work in those desperate times. Without h...

How many more must die for the throne? or How to combat FUD!

 + JMJ How many more must die for the throne? (Movie Quote: Prince Caspian) The Spread of Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt I've seen a lot of FUD spreading across the intergnat on various stats etc.   So let's put this in context ... especially the perspective of those people in positions of authority who need to make decisions to protect the lives of their citizens. Yep, this is going to be that type of post.  Like it or not the leaders of our governments have their authority from God.  So, as Catholics should know, you need to have a very good reason to deliberately disobey the orders of their superiors. This is basic St. Thomas Aquinas ... so don't blame me for discussing things from a Catholic perspective. The leaders of our countries have taken action to protect the vulnerable of our countries.   As much as the young and not-so-young may whine and complain - I have to ask how many more of our elderly have to die? What the armchair virologists and ec...