Skip to main content

Is the SSPX in Schism? What is the difference between Disobedience and Schism???

 +

JMJ

There remains people ... even today ... who believe that the SSPX is in schism.

The Evidence

So ... let's go through some of the arguments put forward to support that assertion.

3. In itself, this act was one of disobedience to the Roman Pontiff in a very grave matter and of supreme importance for the unity of the church, such as is the ordination of bishops whereby the apostolic succession is sacramentally perpetuated. Hence such disobedience - which implies in practice the rejection of the Roman primacy - constitutes a schismatic act.(Note 3) In performing such an act, notwithstanding the formal canonical warning sent to them by the Cardinal Prefect of the Congregation for Bishops on 17 June last, Mons. Lefebvre ... have incurred the grave penalty of excommunication envisaged by ecclesiastical law.(Note 4) Vatican: Ecclesia Dei Adflicta

So ... Pope St. John Paul II wrote that the disobedience implies a rejection of the Roman primacy and therefore constitutes a schismatic act. This is followed by the reference to the Canon 751 in the 1982 code of canon law.

Note 3: Can. 751 Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.

Things are vague about what constitutes submission to the Supreme Pontiff. The clear items are when the Pope issues commands and decrees related to Faith and Morals with the intention to bind.

Note 4: Canon 1382 of the 1983 Code of Canon Law deals with the consecration of a bishop without papal mandate. Specifically, it states that a bishop who consecrates someone as a bishop without the required papal mandate, and the person who receives such consecration, incur a latae sententiae excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See. This means the excommunication is incurred automatically upon the commission of the act, without the need for a formal declaration.

Counter Point

Point 1 The Missing Canon

So, the first problem is that Canon 751 was not cited in the Canonical Warning.

Canonical Warning Congregation for Bishops to His Excellency Archbishop

Marcel Lefebvre, Archbishop-Bishop Emeritus of Tulle

Since on June 15, 1988 you stated that you intended to ordain four priests to the episcopate without having obtained the mandate of the Supreme Pontiff as required by Canon 1013 of the 1983 Code of Canon Law, I myself convey to you this public canonical warning, confirming that if you should carry out your intention as stated above, you yourself and also the bishops ordained by you shall incur ipso facto excommunication latæ sententiæ reserved to the Apostolic See in accordance with Canon 1382. I therefore entreat and beseech you in the name of Jesus Christ to weigh carefully what you are about to undertake against the laws of sacred discipline, and the very grave consequences resulting therefrom for the communion of the Catholic Church, of which you are a bishop.

Given at Rome, from the Office of the Congregation for Bishops, June 17, 1988.

By Mandate of the Supreme Pontiff,

Bernardin Card. Gantin

So, what what we have here is a law that "changed" after the fact and the Canonical warning.  Even in the Catholic Church, I don't think a person can be guilty after the fact.

Point 2 Implied Is Not a Fact

The second point that I would make is that PSJP2 stated that the act of consecration without Pontifical Mandate "... implies in practice a rejection of the Roman primacy ...".  I fail to see how that assertion can be made in the face of the actual intentions stated by Archbishop Lefebvre before he consecrated the four bishops. In other words, "implies" means that something wasn't stated explicitly. So now we have a canonical assertion that Archbishop Lefebvre believed something other than what he stated.

Point 3 The Missing Canon  Revisited

My third point is that, when PSJP2 mentioned that they incurred the penalty of excommunication, he only cites canon 1382, not Canon 751. So it doesn't figure in the excommunication.

Point 4 Rome Says Nope

My fourth and final point is that when I asked the CDF about this in 2014 ... I received the following reply stating that the SSPX is not in full communion. Now I know that some say it is code for schism and I would ask - prove it.  Yes, Rome has used this phrase to include groups that are either objectively schismatic or heretical ... as well as the SSPX which is neither.  So we have term used to collect them all together.

I will be the first to acknowledge that the SSPX is not in a state of full communion.  It is obvious to anyone who understands how the Catholic Church is contituted.




Point 5 Talking Heads Aside

I know that there are many reputable people who have made the assertion that the SSPX is schismatic etc.  In the face of the above, I fail to see how their assertions align with the reality.  


Conclusion

While many want to believe that the SSPX is in schism, the facts noted above just don't support the belief and assertions.  When I first heard that people were saying that the SSPX was in schism because of Ecclesia Dei, I responded simply that it was a scare tactic.  Looking above I have reached the same conclusion again ... 37 years later.

Hopefully, Pope Leo XIV will cut the Schismatic Gordian Knot and enact the 2014 agreement without the footnotes that changed the meaning of the agreement.


P^3


PS. I have discussed disobedience in this collection (link) and would like to draw your attention to  this summary Refresher (link).  Disobedience is just that, disobedience. It does not automatically imply a rejection of the authority of the superior, but that a higher authority requires obedience.  

If that were not the case, then all the bishops who fought Pope Benedict XVI were schismatic :-)


Reference

https://tradicat.blogspot.com/2015/07/a-look-back-cardinal-lara-and-sspx.html

https://tradicat.blogspot.com/2017/10/is-sspx-in-schism.html

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/imply


Comments

Popular posts from this blog

Communiqué on the Meeting between Cardinal Ladaria and Fr. Pagliarani

+ JMJ I suspect that the 'resistance' will be freaking out about this ... but as with the Archbishop, when Rome calls ... they go ... even if just to let them know (again) why they do what they do. Concerning the alleged 'sell-out' I have this to say: I should update the meme ... with 2017, 18 etc. The 'resistors' should stop and think a little: We are in the 18th year of the latest sell-out frenzy. So we're still waiting. Try and reconcile the 'resistance' positions with the Catholic Faith. If it doesn't objectively sync up - admit that you're wrong and take appropriate action. I have also attached some commentary from CFN. P^3 Courtesy of FSSPX.news Courtesy of Catholic Family News Communiqué on the Meeting between Cardinal Ladaria and Fr. Pagliarani November 24, 2018 By Eucharistic Crusade The Palace of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith i...

A Reply to Martin Blackshaw’s FLAWED Remnant article titled: FLAWED: SSPX Advice on Abortion-tainted Vaccines

 + JMJ    An article has appeared in the Remnant (link to article) and I am afraid that there are a number of flaws in it that need to be addressed. The author, Martin Blackshaw, believes that both the Church and the SSPX are misapplying the principle of Moral Theology called 'Cooperation In Evil'.  Unfortunately, Mr. Blackshaw rests most of his arguments on citing authors that support his position, without considering the possibility that they are wrong. This highlights a key factor in this crisis: ignorance of the faith and its application . I don't am not singling out Mr. Blackshaw for this criticism, I have observed that it applies to laity and religious, superior and subject a like.  No one seems immune in this enduring crisis, myself included.  I further believe that this ignorance is why so many Catholics, both traditional and non, rely on their gut feeling or "Catholic conscience" for charting their way through this crisis of the faith.  While...

Unhinged Catholics ... are they on the right path? How would you know? (Updated 2x with Response to Comments)

+ JMJ (Originally Published Sept 7, 2019, Updated July 30, 2022, Updated August 13, 2022)  Based on Pope Francis' latest selections for Cardinals, the Church appears to be in deep winter. Just to be clear, I don't mean a Florida winter, I mean a Canadian winter.  In the last 35+ years as a Trad, I've seen my fair share of Catholics suffering from, and dying of, mental and spiritual hypothermia. When a Catholic pours themselves into the 'fight', neglects their spiritual life, doesn't deepen their understanding of the Catholic Faith, then there is a good chance that they will become embittered, frustrated, and angry. With their narrowed perspectives they risk being blindsided and smacked in the head with a metaphorical 2x4. Just look at the headlines on canon212 for some examples. Here's some others: "Diabolically Disoriented" Michael Matt Reveals His True Colors as a Pied Piper Leading "Traditionalists" (i.e., real Cat...

Morning and Evening and other sundry Prayers

+ JMJ Along the theme of P^3 (Prayer, Penance, Patience), and for my own reference ... here is a collection of Morning and Evening prayers from the Ideal Daily Missal along with some additional prayers. In this crisis of the Church, I do not think it is possible to do too much prayer, penance and have patience. P^3

If Hell is Empty - Why does everyone seem to think that the SSPX is damned?

 + JMJ I have read that there are members of the Hierarchy who believe that Hell exists ... but it is empty and that the Church ecumenism encompasses all.  Others simple deny the existence of human. Now with the Roman response to the SSPX July 1, 2026 Episcopal consecrations it appears that some do believe in Hell and don't believe that the Catholic Church ecumenism includes the SSPX.  It would appear that the only people who are: Condemned to Hell as the SSPX and the faithful Catholics who seek the Unambiguous Sacraments from their priests and bishops. Excluded from the Catholic Church are likewise the SSPX. This is a little tongue in cheek (link) but it is really something that needs to be considered. P^3