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 It has now been over 35 years since the consecrations of the SSPX bishops. That event is definitely a lightning rod that repeatedly draws criticism.

Whether or not Archbishop Lefebvre was right in making the consecrations is, at this point in time, no longer the relevant question.  The deed was done and, aside from the notable issues with ex-SSPX Bishop Williamson, it has borne the foreseen fruit. 

The SSPX still exists.

Who would have foreseen a Pope Francis within a generation of the consecrations?  But there we are, as Pope Francis continues to widen the gap between the Traditionalist and Liberal Catholics, we have to wonder what will come next.  The answer is simple:

Only God knows!

What is really important is whether or not the act of consecrating a bishop in 1988 without Pontifical Mandate is a schismatic act?

Here are some points to consider ...

  1. The canonical warning to Archbishop Lefebvre did not cite the canon's related to schism (link).
    1. https://tradicat.blogspot.com/2015/07/a-look-back-cardinal-lara-and-sspx.html
  2. The declaration of excommunication introduced the canon 1364 indicating that the Archbishop had committed a Schismatic Act.  But as noted by Lara - the consecration of a bishop without Papal Mandate is NOT a schismatic act. Confusion reigns supreme then an now in the Vatican.
  3. Even in Ecclesia Dei, Pope St. JP 2 stated: 
    1. Hence such disobedience - which implies in practice the rejection of the Roman primacy - constitutes a schismatic act.
    2. Question: If the Pope considered the act of consecration to be a schismatic act, even after simply calling it an act of disobedience, why didn't they include the appropriate canon in the warning?
    3. It also raises other questions, such as did the Pope change canon law at this point retroactively? 
    4. Another point to consider is that Archbishop Lefebvre made it clear that he was NOT creating a parallel Church - so the idea that the consecrations 'implied' a rejection of the Roman Primacy etc is not supported by the evidence.
  4. The Excommunications (valid or not is another question for another generation) were 'lifted', so any argument about the SSPX being excommunicated etc is easily proven invalid.
    1. https://tradicat.blogspot.com/2015/04/a-look-back-at-1988-and-2009.html
  5. The CDF indicated to me that the state of the SSPX is 'not in full communion' (see link below) to which the Pete and Repeats seem to say "See, See right there that's code for schsim.".  Sorry, if wishing it only made it so.
    1. https://tradicat.blogspot.com/2017/10/is-sspx-in-schism.html
  6. Then we have Pope Francis giving the SSPX world-wide jurisdiction (i.e. power) to hear confessions world wide.
  7. Lastly, the Pope gave the Bishops the ability to provide jurisdiction to hear marriages.
  8. Laity can fulfill their Sunday obligation by attending a Mass at the SSPX.  Ergo attendance at such does not mean one is schismatic :-). 

So, I expect  "Where Peter Is ..." et al will continue repeating their perspective over and over again. Such is the problem with echo chambers.

P^3


References

https://tradicat.blogspot.com/2017/10/is-sspx-in-schism.html 

https://tradicat.blogspot.com/2023/01/wars-rumours-of-wars-son-of-traditiones.html

Articles


  1. Vatican II and the Political Manichees - Crisis Magazine
  2. 5 Steps to Unite the Clans for the Sacred Heart in June - OnePeterFive
  3. The Schmitz Effect Can Help Reignite Burning Wicks | Fr. Mike Schmitz's videos save a young girl's faith.
  4. Mexican bishop says the SSPX is 'schismatic,' Kansas bishop says it isn't. Who's right? - LifeSite
  5. The SSPX position: Defensible or Schismatic? - Where Peter Is
  6. SSPX: Indefensible
  7. Flat Earth? The Hidden Side of a Hoax - District of the USA
  8. LES FEMMES - THE TRUTH: Guest Post: Spiritual Diocesan Malfeasance in the Diocese of Arlington? by Brian Kopp
  9. Has Fr Altman excommunicated himself? - Where Peter Is
  10. Coda to Our SSPX Debate - OnePeterFive
  11. The Remnant Newspaper - Archbishop Viganò on the Conclave, Provocations & Schism: "Fernández is to Bergoglio what Zelenskyy is to Biden”
  12. Francis Allowed PiusX To Ordain Whomever They Wish – gloria.tv
  13. WYD 2023: Here Comes Everybody - Where Peter Is
  14. The Church’s Growing Loss of Influence - FSSPX.Actualités / FSSPX.News
  15. Judiciary Committee Uncovers Multiple FBI Field Offices Coordinated to Prepare Anti-Catholic Memo | House Judiciary Committee Republicans
  16. Europe: Priestly Ordinations in a Free Fall - District of the USA
  17. How 'Traditionis custodes' brought American liturgy wars back to the future - CatholicCitizens.org
  18. FBI Memo Naming ‘Radical Traditionalist Catholics’ Involved Multiple Offices: Jordan | NTD
  19. Hageman Says FBI Made ‘Coordinated Effort’ To Label Catholics ‘Domestic Terrorists’ | Your Wyoming News Source
  20. House Judiciary Committee: ‘Multiple FBI field offices’ collaborated over anti-Catholic memo – Catholic World Report
  21. FBI Director Suspected Of ‘Inconsistencies’ In Anti-Catholic Memo Testimony | The Daily Wire
  22. FBI’s ‘Radical, Traditional Catholic’ Probe Was Wider Than Director Claimed, Newly Unredacted Document Shows | The Daily Caller
  23. The Angelus - July / August 2023: Catholic Artists and Catholic Art - District of the USA
  24. The Didache: Introduction, Origin, and Rediscovery - District of the USA
  25. Pope Francis on Blaise Pascal and Sincerity of Intention - District of the USA
  26. Stunning photos of a new African wonder - BBC Travel
  27. Brother Henry Passes Away - District of the USA
  28. How To Be At Peace - SSPX Sermons - YouTube
  29. Why I left the Society of St. Pius X: An Open Letter to Fr. Gołaski – Catholic World Report
  30. Is the SSPX Doctrinally Sound? - Pints with Aquinas
  31. * The New Society Of Saint Pius X (SSPX)
  32. The SSPX and Its Offspring. Most individuals who attend Latin Mass… | by Nick Howard | Catholicism Coffee
  33. Pope says some 'backward' conservatives in US Catholic Church have replaced faith with ideology | AP News
  34. Pope chides ‘backward’ conservatives in US for replacing faith with ideology | Pope Francis | The Guardian
  35. Home - The Daily Dad
  36. A Prayer for St. Padre Pio's Intercession - text and mp3 download
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