Skip to main content

The Misperceptions of Cardinal Mueller

 +

JMJ

Cardinal Mueller gave an interview recently and gave his opinion on the "situation of the SSPX".

His Eminence puts forward a number of assertions that frankly confused me. So I've marked the assertions and will give my thoughts for each.

      • JB: The situation of the SSPX remains a pastoral and theological challenge. What, in your judgment, is the most fruitful way for the Church to approach dialogue with the Lefebvrian movement while preserving unity and doctrinal integrity?
      • CGLM: There have been — and continue to be — endless dialogues with this group, but they simply circle around. 
        • There is no way around recognising the Second Vatican Council as the twenty-first Ecumenical Council of the Catholic Church, in accordance with the Catholic hermeneutic and epistemology already fully articulated by Irenaeus of Lyon.[7]
        • The foolish talk of a “sede vacante” of the Chair of Peter [1]
        • calls for a revision of the Council [2]
        • and the claim that the Lefebvrists are the last bastion of true Catholicity must finally come to an end.  [3]
        • Even if they are right to place their finger on the wounds inflicted on the Body of Christ by self-appointed reformers in the style of Modernism, there is never a justification for distancing oneself from the Catholic Church [4]
        •  — even though the Church is a mixture of saints and sinners, as St Augustine emphasised against the strict and self-righteous Donatist sect. Against Petilianus, the highly educated leader of the Donatists, he declared: “It was not we who separated ourselves from you — you separated yourselves from us. You withdrew from communion with the universal Church” (Contra litteras Petiliani II, 38). [5]
      • Now is the kairos [Right or Critical Moment link] for all Catholics to reunite in the truth of Christ, who in the person of St Peter and his successor — Pope Leo XIV — has established an enduring principle and foundation of unity in faith and sacramental communion (Vatican II, Lumen gentium 18). [6]
      • Source: Interview: Cardinal Müller on Europe, Islam, the SSPX and the German Synodal Path
Tradicat Reflections

  1. The SSPX is not sedevacantist, so the "sede vacante" statement is incongruent with the actual position of the SSPX.
  2. "Calls for revision of the Council", makes me wonder if there has ever been a council teaching that has been clarified afterwards. The key thing that is different from 1974 is that the SSPX is no longer alone in its criticism of elements of the pastoral teachings of the Second Vatican Council.
  3. I don't know of the SSPX officially stating that it is the "last bastion of true Catholicity".  I do know and have met lay people who, particularly decades ago, have made these assertions.  As mentioned, as far as I know this is not and has never been the position of the SSPX.
  4. Aside from the disobedience of 1988, it was more of a question of (like today) the Hierarchy wanting the death of everything pre-conciliar.
  5. So ... here's the thing. Like in #4, it wasn't that the SSPX / Traditional Catholics wanted to leave the Church.  They wanted to simply hold on to what they had been taught for the decades previous to the Second Vatican Council.  It wasn't that we wanted to leave, its that 'they' wanted to push us out.
  6. I agree that we are at, yet another, Kairos moment in this crisis of the Catholic Church and that the Vicar of Christ is Pope Leo XIV.   Of course, we've been through this before.  The Vicar of Christ is the principle and foundation of the Unity (Faith and Government) of the Catholic Church.
  7. I missed this point. ... As far as I know, the SSPX recognizes that Second Vatican Council as the 21st Ecumenical Council of the Catholic Church.  That is not the point, it was called by a Pope, attended by the Cardinals and Bishops.  What is for discussion is the theological note of the council and its 'teachings'. What elements are simply pastoral and therefore eminently changeable, what elements are infallible.  Much of this has been discussed and answered already.  So I am again befuddled by Card. Mueller's statements.
So ... Cardinal Mueller makes some unusual statements that don't apply to the SSPX and for a Cardinal are some what surprising in that they don't reflect my understanding / knowledge of the position and history of the SSPX.

Well we know that the SSPX needs more Auxiliary Bishops (I vote for 7) and that the continual rejection of Traditional Catholics as well as Pre-Conciliar Teachings is not a tenable situation.

So we just have to keep praying and working for the Church.

P^3

Comments

Popular posts from this blog

Comparision of the Tridentine, Cranmer and Novus Ordo Masses

+ JMJ I downloaded the comparison that was linked in the previous article on the mass (here) . ... a very good reference! P^3 From: Whispers of Restoration (available at this link) . CHARTING LITURGICAL CHANGE Comparing the 1962 Ordinary of the Roman Mass to changes made during the Anglican Schism; Compared in turn to changes adopted in the creation of Pope Paul VI’s Mass in 1969 The chart on the reverse is a concise comparison of certain ritual differences between three historical rites for the celebration of the Catholic Mass Vetus Ordo: “Old Order,” the Roman Rite of Mass as contained in the 1962 Missal, often referred to as the “Traditional Latin Mass.”The Ordinary of this Mass is that of Pope St. Pius V (1570) following the Council of Trent (1545-63), hence the occasional moniker “Tridentine Mass.” However, Trent only consolidated and codified the Roman Rite already in use at that time; its essential form dates to Pope St. Gregory the Great (+604), in whose time the R...

SSPX and the Resistance - A Comparison Of Ecclesiology

Shining the light of Church Teaching on the doctrinal positions of the SSPX and the Resistance. Principles are guides used to aid in decision making.  It stands to reason that bad principles will lead to bad decisions. The recent interactions between Rome and the SSPX has challenged a number of closely held cultural assumptions of people in both sides of the disagreement. This has resulted in cultural skirmishes in both Rome and the SSPX. Since it is the smaller of the two, the skirmishes have been more evident within the SSPX.  The cultural fault-line that Bishop Fellay crossed appears to be linked to two points of Catholic Doctrine: Ecclesiology and Obedience.  The cultural difference of view points is strong enough that it has resulted in the expulsion of a number of members.  It should also be noted that some other priests expelled since the beginning of the latest interactions (starting in 2000) held the same view points and have joined with the l...

If Pope Francis is bad - what about Pope St. John Paul II et al?

+ JMJ So here we are on the apparent cusp of yet another post conciliar Papal canonization. This time we have Pope's John-Paul I and Paul VI canonizations to 'look forward' to. This follows, obviously, on the heels of Pope St. John Paul II's canonization? So the first question that I usually encounter is: How is it possible, keeping in mind the doctrine on infallibility of canonizations (note doctrine not dogma), that Pope St. John Paul II is a Saint? First, what does it mean???  According to the doctrine of dogmatic facts - it is the universal opinion of Theologians that canonizations are infallible.  It means that they enjoy the beatific vision.  ... that's it.  That is the doctrine and it is at the level of universal opinion of theologians.  It is called a 'dogmatic fact'. That they made mistakes is obvious.  That the miracles seem to not be very miraculous is also a bit of an issue. Here's something to consider: The rush that surrou...

Spiritual Journey Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre - Extracts

+ JMJ I have posted these two chapters to provide context for the quote of: It is, therefore, a strict duty for every priest wanting to remain Catholic to separate himself from this Conciliar Church for as long as it does not rediscover the Tradition of the Church and of the Catholic Faith. P^3 Courtesy of SSPX.ca Chapter II The Perfections of God We ought to remember during this entire contemplation of God that we must apply all that is said of God to Our Lord Jesus Christ, Who is God. We cannot separate Jesus Christ from God. We cannot separate the Christian religion from Jesus Christ, Who is God, and we must affirm and believe that only the Catholic religion is the Christian religion. These affirmations have, as a result, inescapable conclusions that no ecclesiastic authority can contest: outside of Jesus Christ and the Catholic religion, that is, outsi...

Dogmas of the Catholic Faith (de fide) - Expanded Listing: Answer for Reader

 + JMJ  A reader asked the following question in the 2015 version of the article on the Dogmas of the Catholic Faith (link) : 117: "In the state of fallen nature it is morally impossible for man without Supernatural Revelation, to know easily, with absolute certainty and without admixture of error, all religious and moral truths of the natural order." Where can you find this in the documents of the Church? ( Link to comment )  Here's the reference from Ott: The citation that Ott provided was Denzinger 1786 and the source document is Dogmatic Consitution Concerning the Faith from the First Vatican Council (Papal Encyclicals - link) : Chapter 2 On Revelation, Article 3: It is indeed thanks to this divine revelation , that those matters concerning God, which are not of themselves beyond the scope of human reason, can, even in the present state of the human race, be known by everyone, without difficulty, with firm certitude and with no intermingling of error. Here's ...