SSPX and the Vatican: A Comparison of Ecclesiology

JMJ

Back in 2014, I compared the so-called "Resistance" perception of the Church vs that of the SSPX (link). Given the publication of Traditionis Custodes, it would appear that a comparison the "Modern Catholic" perception of the Church vs the Teaching of the Church is warranted.

While I have titled this article as a comparison of the SSPX and Vatican's ecclesiology, I submit that the SSPX's perspective is nothing less or more than that of the Catholic Church before the Second Vatican Council.

The Church

Before Council:The Catholic Church IS the Church of Christ
Post Council: The Catholic Church SUBSISTS in the Church of Christ
Consequence: The Catholic Church is active in other communities (ie Churches) outside the Catholic Church and the other 'Churches' are vehicles of salvation.

Members of the Church

Before Council: Actual members are the baptized, who profess the true faith (not heretics), are united to the Mystical Body of Christ (not schismatic) or been excluded (excommunicated). Baptized non-Catholics before the age of reason are considered members of the Catholic Church per se. Also, there is a possibility for people to be united to the soul of the Church in re.
Post Council: The distinction of schismatic and heretical are subsumed in the 'not full communion' which is a sliding scale of membership.
Consequence: The Church has members everywhere and they don't know it. So ecumenism is not an ecumenism of return but of common journey. ... or something along those lines.

Suffice to say ... its a mess.

P^3

For further reading:

https://tradicat.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-new-ecclesiology-and-subsistit.html

Comments

Communiqué on the Meeting between Cardinal Ladaria and Fr. Pagliarani

+ JMJ I suspect that the 'resistance' will be freaking out about this ... but as with the Archbishop, when Rome calls ... they go ... even if just to let them know (again) why they do what they do. Concerning the alleged 'sell-out' I have this to say: I should update the meme ... with 2017, 18 etc. The 'resistors' should stop and think a little: We are in the 18th year of the latest sell-out frenzy. So we're still waiting. Try and reconcile the 'resistance' positions with the Catholic Faith. If it doesn't objectively sync up - admit that you're wrong and take appropriate action. I have also attached some commentary from CFN. P^3 Courtesy of FSSPX.news Courtesy of Catholic Family News Communiqué on the Meeting between Cardinal Ladaria and Fr. Pagliarani November 24, 2018 By Eucharistic Crusade The Palace of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith i...

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+ JMJ I see that the 'resistors' are in a tizzy because Fr. Robinson used them as an example instead of the sedevacantists. What is interesting is that you can apply the exact same reasons against going to a sede mass as that of the 'resistors'. Namely: On the other extreme are those situations where an SSPX priest knows that a certain non-SSPX traditionalist venue is a grave danger to the faith . Frankly, most, if not all, of the Resistance Masses would fall into this category. In many cases, the behavior of these priests has been and continues to be scandalous, by their (A) spirit, their (B) preaching, and their indiscriminate conferral of the (C) priesthood and (D) episcopacy. To attend a Mass with such ongoing scandals poses a serious danger to the souls of the faithful. Yep, looking at A,B,C and D the shoe fits. On this basis the "resistors" = "sedevacantists". P^3 Courtesy of SSPX.org A companion article to a recent "Questions with ...

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Morning and Evening and other sundry Prayers

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Open Letter to Cardinal Gantin - July 6, 1988

There has been some discussion (read lots) about the term 'Conciliar Church'. I have posted this letter written by the Superior General and District Superiors of the SSPX after the 1988 Consecrations. Of particular interest is that the 'Conciliar Church' being referred to as a system. My paraphrase would be that the SSPX regards the 'conciliar Church' as an error within the Church. Source Open Letter to Cardinal Gantin Prefect of the Congregation for Bishops

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