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Rumours and Reality

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JMJ

It is nice when the rumours prove true ... it restores (slightly) one's confidence in humanity and its fallen nature.

The rumour: The PCED was being eliminated.

The Truth: The PCED was being eliminated.

This is a nice alignment that can be contrasted with something else ...

The rumour: The SSPX is going to sell-out.

The Truth: The SSPX has not sold-out.

There is no alignment.

At least the resistance has been smart enough, like the other false prophets, to stop predicting the date of the sell-out.

In addition, like some 'religious' organizations that rely upon a prophecy to motivate their members, they are saying that the SSPX has compromised etc.


I know that the 'resistance' will point to the joy felt when Rome made the following concessions was in some warped version of reality ... a compromise:

Summorum Pontificum
The Tridentine Mass was never abrogated. Something that Trads have held for decades.

Universae Ecclesiae
Granting the laity the power to haul their local bishops into ecclesiastical court if they didn't grant them the Tridentine Mass.

Granting the SSPX jurisdiction to hear confessions
This was another piece of the puzzle, in that there are two sacraments that require some form of jurisdiction to be valid: Penance and Matrimony.  When the Pope extended authority to the SSPX priests jurisdiction to hear confessions he made an enormous concession and ... cut out one leg from under the SSPX nay-sayers.  The SSPX no longer needs to rely upon supplied jurisdiction for this sacrament.

Granting the local Bishops power to grant SSPX jurisdiction to receive wedding vows:
This was another big concession, but some were disappointed that the Pope didn't repeat the concession he gave for confession.

Humans gravitate towards simplistic solutions for complex problems.

Hence the fascination with 911 and various simplistic explanations that don't stand up to a more thorough examination of the facts.

There are a number of compounding factors on this topic.

In this case, the first fact that we need to contend with is that geographically based episcopal jurisdiction is of Apostolic origin.  So we have to tread carefully in any action that undermines that pillar of the Catholic Church ... after-all we are Traditional Catholic ... aren't we?

So face it ... the local Bishop has authority over you.  If you don't think so ... well that alternate-reality doesn't exist in the Catholic Church so good luck with that.

The second fact is that  marriage has a social aspect.

In the Catholic Church that means that marriages have to be recorded so there is a way to confirm if a person has been previously married, parentage etc.  In order for the local diocese to recognize a marriage, it has to have jurisdiction.

I know that the SSPX sends the local chancery marriage records. I also know that for years the local chancery has sent back letter saying that they don't recognize the marriages.  This resulted in the 'Get out of SSPX marriages for free' card being played when one of the couple decided that they didn't really mean it when they said:

I, N. N., take thee, N. N., for my lawful husband / wife, to have and to hold, from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, until death do us part.





This was an untenable situation and one that the SSPX has sought to resolve for a number of years.  I am aware that within the structure for a canonical regularization the SSPX is seeking a sanitum for all marriages that they have performed.

Until the SSPX has a canonical agreement ... this is a good as it is going to get because Traditional Catholics shouldn't be going around undermining the teachings of the Catholic Church.

If you think they should ... well then ... bon chance.

P^3




References

http://www.traditionalcatholicpriest.com/2014/09/04/traditional-catholic-wedding-ceremony-vs-new-wedding-ceremony/
http://tradicat.blogspot.com/2018/03/has-sspx-canada-implicitly-admits-state.html
http://tradicat.blogspot.com/2018/03/update-on-has-sspx-canada-implicitly.html

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